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Re:The True Meaning of Technical Debt (2020) by runawaybottle on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @09:15AM (#26791716)
You have to first identify the percentage of developers that fall into the over-engineer class. If it’s 30%, then it’s possible 30% of your team will over-abstract, and if you make them a principal, they will over engineer most of the codebase. These are scary people, because at least the duck-tape ‘just get it done’ people write sloppy but simple code (always needs to be cleaned up, but this is a lower load cognitively than unraveling the mental models of the over-engineers). Both can test one’s patience.

To keep running with the analogy, the sloppy developers will just take a credit card and max it out. The over-engineers will do credit default swaps on mortgage backed securities and tie up the whole economy.

Re:The True Meaning of Technical Debt (2020) by harryf on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @09:33AM (#26791899)
Great extension to the analogy! In my experience over-engineering class are the most damaging of all and I feel like the article and general discussion of technical debt largely ignores this.

I'd also add two subsets of the over-engineers. One subset are those that create frameworks to solve problems vs. address the problem directly. The other are those that introduce (language / datastore / build tool / etc.)-of-the-week to a codebase in an ad-hoc manner. And I'll admit, I've been both of those once upon a time...

Re:The True Meaning of Technical Debt (2020) by nicoburns on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @09:28AM (#26791847)
> If it’s 30%, then it’s possible 30% of your team will over-abstract, and if you make them a principal, they will over engineer most of the codebase.

Isn't the idea to make a non-over-abstracting engineer the principal, and then they will bring everyone else into line with code review, etc.

Re:The True Meaning of Technical Debt (2020) by runawaybottle on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @10:27AM (#26792580)
Business usually values speed. If you over engineer or just duck tape everything, so long as you are fast about it, you’ll be on the short list to be a principal.

Wrong values propel them to the top.

Re:The True Meaning of Technical Debt (2020) by rightbyte on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @03:53AM (#26804223)
Ye I prefer a flat mess over an deep mess anyday.