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Re:OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana by ocdtrekkie on Monday April 12, 2021 @07:36PM (#26786485)
This is incorrect, you are free to use the program if you wish, it just also, like the GPL, conveys requirements on open sourcing code you use with it. Open sourcing services without the necessary tools to run it isn't much good, so SSPL ensures the freedom to run your own better than GPL based licenses.
Re:OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana by busterarm on Monday April 12, 2021 @07:42PM (#26786526)
no. get it right. if you are not free to run the program without additional stipulations, especially stipulations that dictate how you license _your_ code, then you are not free to use the program as you wish.

Literally, "as you wish". Stipulations is "as we wish".

And you can read it from the OSI themselves: "The SSPL is Not an Open Source License" https://opensource.org/node/1099

Re:OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana by ocdtrekkie on Monday April 12, 2021 @08:19PM (#26786742)
The SSPL conveys no new stipulations not permitted by GPL-based licenses, it is just more inclusive in doing so.

If SSPL isn't open source, neither is the GPL.

Re:OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana by busterarm on Monday April 12, 2021 @08:59PM (#26787042)
GPL carries no restrictions if you don't distribute the software.

The AGPL on the other hand, was a huge mistake, IMO.

Re:OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana by ocdtrekkie on Monday April 12, 2021 @09:21PM (#26787161)
The AGPL was the first step in addressing a critical need to protect the users' right to run the software they use, the SSPL just continues that, as many services wouldn't be runnable without the support code around them.
Re:OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana by busterarm on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @12:12AM (#26788057)
I hear what you're saying, but those whose mission is to encourage open source software don't call the SSPL anything but a source-available, proprietary software license. Like literally the organization that defined what "open source software" is.

While you may disagree, you aren't going to convince me to take your word over theirs, especially when I have come to the same conclusions they did on my own.

Re:OpenSearch: AWS fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana by DetroitThrow on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @12:22AM (#26788105)
On a moral principle, AGPL levels the playing field fairly much like the GPL license, just the terms of distribution are updated for an age of software as a service. No one is exempted to the rules in AGPL like SSPL - it is intentionally viral, even if you'd dislike using it in many of your projects (though I think it's fair to say lawyers don't like the ambiguity of the language).

Just like some projects are best under LGPL instead of GPL, AGPL has its place in the toolkit of free software licensing.