Problems with JPA/Hibernate

Re:Problems with JPA/Hibernate by watwut on Monday April 12, 2021 @03:07AM (#26776721)

I dont think it is true that everyone hates JPA/Hibernate. I dont hate them and dont know many people IRL who hate them. I know SQL, worked with SQL before Hibernate. Here, developers are expected to learn SQL even as project is using Hibernate.

For me, migration to Hibernate was improvement. There is a subculture of people who hate Hibernate, hate Java, hate frameworks for anything. And some of these people are very vocal and emotional about it. And then there is everybody else.

And a lot of it honestly sounds like projection. People who dont like to have to learn these things and quite clearly did not bothered to learn them. They assume Hibernate is used to avoid learning SQL, because that would make sense to them. But, back in real java world, developers are expected to know both.

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Re:Problems with JPA/Hibernate by tablespoon on Monday April 12, 2021 @11:40AM (#26780634)

Yeah, I don't hate JPA/Hibernate. I fact, I tend to hate its absence, because for me that's usually meant a four user CRUD app written with JDBC and a billion lines of boilerplate mapping between the domain and SQL CRUD statements.

I mean, there are definitely cases where JPA/Hibernate doesn't fit for all kinds of reasons, but don't avoid it where it does help (e.g. the 4 user CRUD app that needs to be "web scale").

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