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Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by Baeocystin on Sunday April 11, 2021 @03:04PM (#26772591)
I've got a long-standing bet with a friend that 'VR' will take off as soon as it becomes 'AR', ie transparent glasses that overlay information on the real world.

That, IMO, is the killer feature, and once it hits takeoff, the headset era of VR will be looked back at as a necessary stepstone that was ultimately completely replaced with what ultimately will be used.

Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by ghaff on Sunday April 11, 2021 @03:12PM (#26772642)
VR by itself is probably a thing. There are times when you want an immersive experience such as gaming or virtual exploration. But I expect it's a niche. I'm not wearing VR to your virtual meeting.

AR, in the inobstrusive/genuinely useful sense is harder but seems far more interesting. Yes, there are social factors to deal with as well, but I can certainly see worn information displays becoming a thing.

Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by Baeocystin on Sunday April 11, 2021 @03:20PM (#26772708)
I don't disagree! Rather, it's just that I expect AR glasses to have a fully-blacked-out mode when necessary, and those full-immersion times will just be one (small, I'm willing to bet) mode of the overall headset.

As a side note, my friend and I first made this bet back in the DK2 days, and I was ~60% confident I was correct. What pushed me in to the 90%+ region was playing with an Oculus Quest. The guardian mode, freedom from wires, hand tracking, pass-through mode, etc... Everything that felt like a real step forward was also something that will ultimately apply to AR glasses. It really made me think I was on the right track.

Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by ghaff on Sunday April 11, 2021 @03:29PM (#26772773)
I think the other things that's happened with VR is just the quality/size of TVs generally. No that doesn't deal with a few specific aspects of VR like flight simulators and FPS. But having a high-res 75" or whatever screen in front of you basically handles "virtual reality" for anything that doesn't involve looking around.
Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by StanislavPetrov on Sunday April 11, 2021 @05:08PM (#26773437)
>I'm not wearing VR to your virtual meeting.

Can we be so certain of this, especially given the events of the last year? If VR technology had been perfected at the time, it seems very likely to me that instead of a shift to Zoom at the outbreak of the pandemic, many companies, government agencies and (especially) schools would have made the move to VR. It will be interesting to see how VR is integrated into our every day lives (both voluntarily and otherwise) as it is perfected.

Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by ghaff on Sunday April 11, 2021 @05:13PM (#26773494)
Because that's not how people attend meetings. Meetings are mostly not-full focus events. That's not to say that VR couldn't have a role in, say, an in-depth review of a hardware design. But, the typical meeting? People are turning their cameras on and off and are probably spending about 50% attention depending upon how relevant the current topic is to them. This of course happens in the physical world as well.
Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by StanislavPetrov on Monday April 12, 2021 @04:33PM (#26784788)
>Meetings are mostly not-full focus events. That's not to say that VR couldn't have a role in, say, an in-depth review of a hardware design. But, the typical meeting? People are turning their cameras on and off and are probably spending about 50% attention depending upon how relevant the current topic is to them.

This is true, at least in part, because Zoom meetings allow this, not necessarily because this is the behavior that an employer views as ideal. If VR technology was well-developed, I think its likely that many employers would hold VR meetings for the very reason that employees would be forced to give 100% of their attention. Certainly this is true when it comes to schools, which have done everything possible to ensure that students are paying 100% attention all the time, aren't using supplemental materials during tests (cheating), ect.

>When North Carolina A&T State University junior Arielle G. Brown took her International Marketing exam in September, a cheating-detection program analyzed her behavior through a computer webcam the entire time. After the test, her associate professor fired off a furious email ripping into her class for some “negative behavior” the software had flagged.

>“A STUDENT IN 6 MINUTES HAD 776 HEAD AND EYE MOVEMENTS,” she wrote, adding later, “I would hate to have to write you up.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/12/test-mo...

We may not all end up choosing (or be forced) to hold VR meetings in cyberspace, but to seems virtually (pun intended) certain to me that many will.

Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by majewsky on Sunday April 11, 2021 @09:00PM (#26775117)
After having spent one year in home office, there is literally no household chore that I have not done during a meeting yet.

Easy tier: folding laundry, cooking, most other things

Medium tier: doing the dishes, cleaning the bathroom (need to have a towel at the ready if I need to unmute)

Hard tier: vacuuming (makes it hard to listen to what's being said, so I've only done it once very briefly until now)

Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by _carbyau_ on Sunday April 11, 2021 @09:36PM (#26775333)
Vacuum robot FTW! Can set it going from the web interface, direct drive it or detail zones.
Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by majewsky on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @08:00AM (#26791028)
Everyone keeps recommending vacuum robots to me, but they don't solve the hard parts of vacuuming. A vacuum robot will not move furniture around to get the dust in the corners. A vacuum robot will not clean the dust on my desk, or in my keyboard.
Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by _carbyau_ on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @06:25PM (#26800192)
It is very true that a robot vacuum will not solve ALL your vacuuming problems.

It really only solves maintenance cleaning IE doing the main bits that get dirty most often like common walkways, near the front door etc.

For me, that is 90% of the work. I only live in a small place and wife and I appreciate it. In a large house, with 3 or more kids? I'd buy one for every floor if I had to.

For the other 10%, I have a dyson battery powered stick thing. Gets into the nooks, does the keyboard and the car too.

And there is something nice about being able to do the dishes, wash and dry clothes, vacuum the floor; all while playing games.

Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by MauranKilom on Sunday April 11, 2021 @03:24PM (#26772737)
But there are already glasses like this? Google Glass, Epson Moverio, Magic Leap are the first few that enter my mind. And none of these seem to really be "taking off". Sure, there are niche applications that match the constraints of these, but it's not clear to me at what point your bet would be considered to have failed because of a lack of "taking off"...
Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by Baeocystin on Sunday April 11, 2021 @03:32PM (#26772784)
The only thing that comes close is the Hololens, and if you ever get a chance to play with one (which I do recommend!) you'll see immediately why it Isn't There Yet™. The biggest killer is that the field of view is tiny- think a single A1/Letter sized sheet of paper held at arm's length. It feels less like AR and more like a view portal, and since it currently has no way to block light behind its projections, everything is washed out. Not to mention that it's closer to the headset side of things than regular glasses.

It's certainly a start, but there's a long way to go.

Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by robocat on Sunday April 11, 2021 @04:47PM (#26773272)
Nitpick: you mean A4. As an aside to those who don’t get to use ISO A paper sizes, they are trés cool. The x/y edge sizes are the (edit) square root of two. A0 is 1 square metre in area. Each step (A1, A2, A3, ...) just chops the sheet in half.

Edit: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-paper.html

Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by type0 on Sunday April 11, 2021 @05:50PM (#26773775)
Here's fun video about metric paper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUF5esTscZI
Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by 174SIGSEGV on Monday April 12, 2021 @06:08AM (#26777753)
As an aside, there are also ISO B and C series paper, although I believe that the C standard was withdrawn somewhat recently. The area of B_n is the geometric mean of that of A_n and A_{n-1}, while the area of C_n is the geometric mean of that of A_n and B_n. Without context, C4 paper sounds quite scary, until you realize it's probably related to A4 paper in some way. As to why it isn't just called A3.75, I have no idea.
Re:Technologies I thought my son would never use by Baeocystin on Sunday April 11, 2021 @08:36PM (#26774961)
Shoot, missed the edit window. Thanks for the heads up, though.