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Re:Proud Boys and other far-right groups raise millions via ... by alexc05 on Saturday April 10, 2021 @04:25PM (#26764810)
There were shirts printed with

> MAGA > Civil War > Jan 6th

"It's just a prank bro" doesn't really hold a lot of water when the actions taken at the event look indistinguishable from what the "real" version would look like.

The shirts: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-go...

Violent chat in their private channels: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/capitol-ri...

An analysis and reporting of the Maga mob's garbage chats: https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/77-capital-coup (audio)

There's just so much actual, verifiable evidence of what happened that it is stunning to me that anyone would come along and say "no they were just upset at what they think was unfair"

But also why I don't really get involved in discussions with them anymore. If we can't come to terms around the existence of objective reality then anything further is a total waste of time.

:)

Re:Proud Boys and other far-right groups raise millions via ... by jfengel on Monday April 12, 2021 @09:27AM (#26779147)
It shouldn't be a surprise. It didn't just spring into existence. They got here by being subjected to a long campaign of ignoring actual, verifiable evidence. Decades long, if not longer.

There was a battle over basic epistemology, and objective reality lost. Everything else has followed on from that.