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Re:Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama by ThrowawayR2 on Friday April 09, 2021 @11:47AM (#26752062)
> "...why you would vote against your own collective interest ..."

> "...Most of the folks who vote aren't really the type to sit down and think long-term..."

Why do people call others dumb (and let's not kid ourselves, that's just what these phrases are a cultured, genteel way of saying) and then are surprised when said others don't vote for the causes they believe in?

Don't they realize that casting aspersions on the intelligence of others to their faces is "against their own collective interest"? If you want people to vote for your causes, work harder to prove that it benefits them instead of denigrating them.

Re:Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama by kadomony on Friday April 09, 2021 @11:55AM (#26752185)
I don't think you'll find many of those Amazon warehouse workers on this site. Also, it's not said with malice, so don't reach for a fight.

Most of these workers slave for long hours. And then they work another job on top of it. And then they wonder why they STILL aren't making enough to pay TODAY's bills. Their mindset is myopic because they live paycheck to paycheck. You tell them they're losing MORE money out of each paycheck, that suddenly makes them worry exponentially more.

I'm friends with people living this dilemma monthly. They don't have the luxury to think what the long-term return on investment is.

And to say they're under-educated isn't calling them dumb. The ones I know are high school dropouts/graduates only. High school doesn't teach you personal finance the way a finance course at a college might introduce you to it. It's just statistical correlation.

Re:Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama by trackmenot on Friday April 09, 2021 @12:22PM (#26752512)
> Why do people call others dumb (and let's not kid ourselves, that's just what these phrases are a cultured, genteel way of saying) and then are surprised when said others don't vote for the causes they believe in?

How does calling people dumb affect the way they vote? In fact, if me and others calling people who vote against unionization dumb makes them more likely to vote against unionization, it clearly means that they are not primarily considering their self-interest, since whatever I and other leftists say or think is completely irrelevant.

If I say "you're an idiot for voting for Trump" and that makes you more likely to vote for Trump, then, I'm sorry to say, you proved my point.

Re:Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama by bitcurious on Friday April 09, 2021 @01:53PM (#26753709)
If the vote is for union representation and the folks who will represent you have the attitude that “if you don’t agree with me you’re an idiot” how could they be trusted to represent your views? They will only ever represent their own interests.
Re:Amazon workers vote against unionizing in Alabama by trackmenot on Friday April 09, 2021 @02:48PM (#26754449)
2 + 2 = 4. If you don't agree with me then you are an idiot. Yes, union representatives look after their own self-interest. That's the point of unions! Their self-interest is getting reelected and they aren't reelected unless they look after the self-interests of the union members. What you are arguing for is that people should lie and obscure the fact that someone who denies that 2 + 2 = 4 is an idiot. I don't think people are such snowflakes.