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Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by michaelt on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:39AM (#26737175)
Well, the German legal system is actually different in a bunch of ways:

1. They don't use precedent, judges rule based on legislation alone.

2. Germany criminal and administrative law uses an "inquisitorial" system where the judges perform fact-finding and question witnesses (in contrast to the "adversarial" system used in common law countries)

3. German lawyers have their fees set by the "RVG" (Act on the Remuneration of Lawyers) and even if the winner chose fancy lawyers that charge more than set by the RVG, the loser only pays the amount set by the RVG.

4. Contingency fees were completely banned until recently, and are very rarely used today.

5. There are no punitive damages awarded under the German legal system - only compensatory damages.

Between these factors, German trials cost a lot less - so legal fees don't ruin you financially even if you lose.

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by bluecalm on Thursday April 08, 2021 @08:54AM (#26738113)
I am interested in how the no precedent thing works. Doesn't it have potential to make things widely inconsistent?

In Poland where we have similar rules in place it's just purely theoretical principle. In practice precedent is very important and learning about what other courts ruled ("orzecznictwo") is what lawyers spend their time on. It's as important if not more than the letter of the law in practice.

Source: my ex was a lawyer and we have a number of lawyer friends (judges, attorneys, corporate lawyers).

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by cedilla on Thursday April 08, 2021 @09:39AM (#26738539)
Higher courts can make fundamental decisions which are binding for other courts; however these are not precedent as they only clarify how the law is to be interpreted in general.

There are indeed inconsistencies in the decisions of the lower courts, and in some cases (like defamation suits) with no clear geographic reference this can lead to forum shopping.

Edit: An important point that I forgot to make is that in cases where a lower court might deviate from the usual legal practice, it may be required to ask a higher court to decide in the matter precisely to avoid grave inconsistencies. So case law is never completely irrelevant in Germany.

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by spicybright on Thursday April 08, 2021 @08:10AM (#26737738)
It's too bad the US is too hard headed to adopt some of these practices.
Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by Kalium on Thursday April 08, 2021 @08:49AM (#26738062)
You're absolutely right! The US is pretty hard-headed on any number of subjects, reasonable or otherwise. A lot of these are great ideas.

Formalizing into law the system where a judge decides what is a reasonable amount of attorney's fees definitely sounds like an improvement! Though I can see where revamping the fundamental structure of a legal system could be challenging, time-consuming, and probably messy.

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by vimax on Thursday April 08, 2021 @08:50AM (#26738072)
I don't think it is just being hard headed. I don't know of a practical non-disruptive way to change the basis of the US legal system away from common law.

Edit: not that I support the legal status quo, I just don't see the public bipartisan will to make that level of systemic reform

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by spicybright on Thursday April 08, 2021 @09:45AM (#26738586)
That's pretty much what I mean by hard headed, no one is willing to consider change. Not an individual, just the people that create laws and policies.
Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by Ericson2314 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @10:32AM (#26739183)
Yeah no kidding. Common law is perhaps at the heart of how rich Americans understand the state. And then the overrepresentation of lawyers in legislatures just makes this worse. Either way, this stuff is completely sacrosanct for no good reason.
Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by floxy on Thursday April 08, 2021 @04:09PM (#26743160)
>this stuff is completely sacrosanct for no good reason.

Evolved law systems, like common law, do have some elegance that most people tend to overlook. Here's one article I found very interesting:

http://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/ECM_PRO_060886.pd...