Re:How to make a Python package in 2021
by divbzero on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:05AM
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Maybe it could still happen? It seems like a super high value challenge that the BDFL could take on: build out the official set of tools (setup.py, twine, virtualenv, pip) to support features that make people seek out alternatives (pyproject.toml, poetry, flit, conda, pyenv, pipenv).
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I realize this is controversial but from reading the docs I really thought Pipenv was the official solution. Took me a while to realize this wasn't the case.
I went through the same progression, thinking pipenv was the official solution before deciding it wasn’t. Then, just now, I realized that pipenv [1] is currently owned by the Python Packaging Authority (PyPA) who also owns pip [2] and virtualenv [3]. I don’t know the right answer but this illustrates the confusion of not coalescing around an official solution.
[1]: https://github.com/pypa/pipenv
What happened was that Kenneth Reitz socially-engineered his way into the PyPA to get his tool blessed. The community lashed out (since the tool had obvious shortcomings and a somewhat dubious development process) and recommendations were softened. Eventually the PyPA had to take over pipenv when Reitz had other issues, and they are now forever burdened with what is a bit of a dud.
As I understand it, that was to prevent bad behavior rather than to signal approval.
Re:How to make a Python package in 2021
by staticassertion on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:46AM
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I think the time has passed, both in terms of there no longer being a BDFL, as well as Python passing a point where the call can be made.
Sadly I bet you’re right on this. My small sliver of hope is that Guido van Rossum’s ideas to “make using Python better” [1] include better packaging.
Re:How to make a Python package in 2021
by takluyver on Thursday April 08, 2021 @04:31AM
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There are quite a lot of people working on better packaging (look at the Python discourse forum, for instance), but this is not really a topic that Guido has got involved in, at least in the time I've been paying attention.
But with or without a BDFL, one packaging tool to rule them all is a pretty tall order. The needs of a package like scipy, which incorporates C & Fortran code, are pretty different from something like requests. And different communities using Python have their own entrenched tools and techniques. It takes more than someone saying "Foo is officially blessed" to shift that, even if everyone respects the person saying that.
Re:How to make a Python package in 2021
by arthurcolle on Thursday April 08, 2021 @02:00AM
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Is there a new BDFL? I remember reading this half a year ago or so https://hub.packtpub.com/why-guido-van-rossum-quit/