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Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by paxys on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:03PM (#26730401)
What was this magical era of free speech that people keep referring to?
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by unethical_ban on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:25PM (#26730722)
Probably the era when the entire history of any and all activity you've ever done is logged, photographed and held to standards of when it is viewed, not when it was said or done.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by goatcode on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:09PM (#26730483)
Some time up until people started getting the internet on their phones, roughly. Of course, no definition is perfect.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by marcinzm on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:17PM (#26730591)
Before then we had control of most media by a small set of companies (with many fun documented examples of people being blacklisted for going against the owners). Before that we had the Television Code, Comic Code, and so on. Before that we had McCarthyism.

Public and media speech was always moderated. In the past it was simply harder to notice since there were fewer un-moderated channels.

Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by goatcode on Friday April 09, 2021 @11:41AM (#26751976)
The FCC is an unelected, mostly unaccountable entity. I think George Carlin had some things to say about them. That they have any control over transmission of anything outside of a technical, practical scope is a travesty, imo.

Beyond the hardened strawmen of actual written law, we have a shifting sense of what is publicly acceptable. Given that most people do what everyone else around them is doing, or at least what they believe others are doing, there exists a powerful tool in that to control the public discourse. We've gone from "I disagree with what you say, but I will die to protect your ability to say it," to "I think someone will find this offensive, so I will also find this offensive, despite my not knowing anyone who'd actually be offended by it."

The laws are a harder target, so those who would wish to stifle inconvenient discourse likely would find it easier to convince a mostly pliable, trusting public to not say the things they don't want said. That there still are a small number of companies controlling what a majority of people consume might be convenient to this.

All conjecture, of course. More of the Paul Harvey "If I Were The Devil" kind of thing.

Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by paxys on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:12PM (#26730517)
Before people had internet it was ~5 media companies that decided what could be said in public and who could say it. It was hardly as "free" as people imagine.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by leephillips on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:36PM (#26730878)
This was never true. Anyone could stand on the street corner and say anything. Anyone with some spare cash could print up political booklets or flyers and hand them out, and many did.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by paxys on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:41PM (#26730939)
And you can't do that today?
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by ttt0 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:28PM (#26731608)
You can't. Lockdowns.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by CyberDildonics on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @10:58PM (#26734620)
To be clear, because sports aren't open in most places and a video game streaming website changed their terms of service, there is no longer free speech?

Can you help make sense of your comment, because it seems to be closer to a cult chant than a connected chain of thoughts.

Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by leephillips on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:45PM (#26730997)
You lost me.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by sudosysgen on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @07:33PM (#26733019)
That's a coherent issue if you think that free speech is a purely negative right, which is the traditional liberal position.

However, if you admit this, then you must also admit that Twitch is fully within their rights.

Personally, I believe that the positive right to free speech (subject to exceptions, of course) is much more important, and not up to FAANG to decide.

Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by corndoge on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:20PM (#26730625)
And when they had internet but before they had it on their phones, you could work around those media companies by saying things online. I believe parent was referring to that period.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by marcinzm on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:23PM (#26730677)
And very few people, relatively, were online so you could reach only a small number of people. You can probably still reach just as many people online in unmoderated channels as you could back then.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by danlugo92 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:17PM (#26730587)
He did not say "before internet".
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by teachtwolearn on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:25PM (#26730717)
Probably the eras when it was feasible to regularly communicate with small groups of people outside of a few highly-centralized platforms.

At this point, there's a credible argument to be made that the Facebook empire is a sort of natural monopoly, like our public utilities. They need to be heavily regulated, split up into regional operators, and/or legislated out of existence.

Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by MattGaiser on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:49PM (#26731056)
You can communicate with small groups outside of a few central platforms. Stormfront remains alive. The incels have their own site as well.

You want the ability to communicate with everyone (tweeting is a message to the world) or if you aren't allowed to do that, for nobody to have that ability.

Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by teachtwolearn on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @08:52PM (#26733713)
Those are fringe global communities.

I'm talking about how you cannot effectively stay in touch with your neighbors and local community without using Facebook's platforms. People who you see every day, but who may not share all of your views; keeping up with those people is important if we want to heal our society's deep divides.

I've tried, but very few shared interest/volunteer/neighborhood groups will go out of their way to contact the one or two people who don't join their Facebook groups about scheduling or events.

It has nothing to do with racist or misogynist strawmen, but since you mention them, Facebook has done a lot to inflate those groups' ranks.

Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by superkuh on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @07:14PM (#26732824)
1984-2001.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by stonogo on Thursday April 08, 2021 @12:35AM (#26735125)
From what I can work out, that era ended shortly after the Fairness Doctrine was removed.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by Daho0n on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @07:10PM (#26732784)
Any day before today. Since the US is sliding down the freedom and freedom of the press index's every time they are updated you can always look back at More Freedom.