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Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by cblconfederate on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:09AM (#26698433)
> However, when she searched for the name of the video on Google in January, it still returned 1,900 results. It seems that although Pornhub had removed the video, it still kept thumbnails of the naked images. Because those thumbnails still existed, a Google search would find – and display - those naked images. She realized the only way to eliminate those was to get Pornhub to remove all traces of the thumbnail images.

It seems the problem was / is Google (and not pornhub), because makes it impossible to remove stuff from the internet fast enough to prevent damage. I wonder why the article doesn't consider it. Google should have an on demand mechanism to instantly deletes all text/images that match a fingerprint .

Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by mrweasel on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:15AM (#26698504)
Google do have to comply with EUs right to be forgotten, but I don’t know how they deal with images.

Your right that we really can’t remove stuff fast enough. There will almost always be a copy somewhere.

Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by elliekelly on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:11AM (#26698450)
Perhaps I’m not understanding but why couldn’t PH just remove the thumbnails so they couldn’t be indexed anymore? Sure, Google should have a mechanism so material like that isn’t indexed but Google isn’t the only search engine and PH shouldn’t be hosting that content, not even as a thumbnail.
Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by MattGaiser on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:17AM (#26698524)
> why couldn’t PH just remove the thumbnails so they couldn’t be indexed anymore?

> Kevin responded again, insisting that Pornhub “can NOT” remove content from other sites. However, that doesn’t seem to be completely accurate. Pornhub offers something called its “exclusive model program,” which promises that it will send takedown notices to any website to “help protect your content from being uploaded to other websites.”

I am not sure that PornHub actually hosts those thumbnails or necessarily controls them. Sending a takedown notice indicates to me that they don't control that content. They would just be requesting removal.

Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by cblconfederate on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:17AM (#26698525)
Even if they did remove it, how long would it take for google to remove their copy? That's why it's better to have an on-demand mechanism to remove content.
Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by ggggtez on Monday April 05, 2021 @02:32PM (#26702753)
As far as I understand it, if PH stopped hosting the thumbnails, then Google would stop showing them.

The problem is that PH didn't actually remove the thumbnails.

Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by nunez on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:27PM (#26703454)
I don't even think they own all of them? There are a billionty porn site aggregators that pull from Pornhub and get ranked on Google, Bing, and other search engines.

Is removing _all_ traces of this video even a tractable problem?

Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by zepto on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:14PM (#26704050)
Yes - the video / thumbnails to be removed can be hashed in various ways. The hashes can be made public.

A court can order videos or thumbnails matching the hash to be removed, and levy penalties against anyone still hosting them after a period of time.

It’s a less complex problem than policing use of copyrighted music on YouTube videos, and that has been achieved.

Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by pgsimp on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:33PM (#26706057)
How will the sites in question learn of that court order? YouTube is one centralized site, that's different to the internet as a whole.
Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by zepto on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:50PM (#26707108)
The hashes would be stored somewhere central.

Sites would be motivated to check it regularly to avoid being out of compliance.

Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by pgsimp on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:12PM (#26731371)
That assumes all thumbnails or pictures hash to the same value. Why would that be? There can be different algorithms, resolutions, crops... And there can be millions of thumbnails to check.
Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by zepto on Thursday April 08, 2021 @04:48PM (#26743570)
> That assumes all thumbnails or pictures hash to the same value.

The same set of values, yes.

> Why would that be? There can be different algorithms, resolutions, crops...

Yes, so you do normalization and reduction before computing the hashes.

And ‘hashes’ doesn’t have to mean literal SHA. Any non-reversible fingerprinting algorithm will do.

Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by nunez on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @06:25PM (#26732280)
Yeah it's a gnarly problem for sure. I mean I'm sure doing some sort of hash-based blocking would knock out 80% of the content related to a takedown request, but I could also see that last 20% being difficult af to purge.

the internet definitely remembers forever, unfortunately, especially porn

Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by zakki on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:25PM (#26704209)
If Google removed it from their search result it is true that most people will not see/find it. But her video/thumbnail is still all over the internet. But if the (porn) sites removed the video/ thumbnail it will be gone from google search as well
Re:One woman's struggle to remove all traces of videotaped s... by visarga on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:43PM (#26704436)
and only live on archive.org and other places