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Re:The Economics of Falling Populations by coldtea on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:38AM (#26697000)
>The "too few ideas" claim is also weird. For you to contribute some ideas to the global economy, at the very least you need some access to capital, that currently most of the world doesn't have. Having good education and some freedom from spending all time and all your energy just to survive on subsistence level also helps. In production of ideas, lifting people everywhere to the Western middle class standard of living and mindset is far more important than raw population count.

And yet, raw population count is crucial in "lifting people" to higher standards of living. It's about how dynamic an economy is, which is about momentum. An aging population is just not as dynamic...

The decline in population in the west wont see the same wealth shared by fewer people, but less wealth produced, a shrinking economy, and more and fiercer fights for the smaller pie.

Re:The Economics of Falling Populations by stereolambda on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:53AM (#26697839)
I am not sure about the "crucial" part, regarding having growing billions upon billions of people. Obviously you need some people to have economy, but what they do is more driven by incentives than essentialist features like being older. What I'd argue is that there will be a need for different business models, with profitability arising mainly from things different than offshoring and relying on dampening wages. If there will be money in that (not as easy as today's business models, but still), it will happen.

To make this happen we will also need, obviously, technology advances and organizational innovation. But to get more people for doing that, I would rely more on taking knowledge people out from industries becoming less profitable (a normal economic thing; many people would agree that currently smart people are attracted economically to many questionable enterprises) and lifting the developing world (as its population growth is slowing) than, as I said, growing raw population count.

I'm assuming you don't mean that we absolutely need a pool of people willing to work for any wage due to fear of extreme poverty. I have a sneaking suspicion that this point might hide under the "we need more people for more ideas" argument in the article. But the reality shows that we don't need such a poverty pool for agriculture for a long time now (looking at the Western agricultural productivity) and we probably don't really need it for industrial production either. This is due to technological advances letting us produce more with less people.

Re:The Economics of Falling Populations by throwaway316943 on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:54AM (#26697427)
Do historical population declines bear this out? The Black Death is often credited for an increase in worker wages and a shift to a somewhat freer society with more freedom of movement and urban development. I can just as easily see that global population decline would lead to higher wages, immigration reform, more urbanization, development of automation, less focus on planned obsolescence and more on higher value goods that a wealthier population can now afford.
Re:The Economics of Falling Populations by imtringued on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @03:04AM (#26721323)
That didn't work out for India and Africa. They would be doing better with less people.