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Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by simpleguitar on Saturday April 03, 2021 @07:35PM (#26685690)
For Toyota, it wasn't the engineering, design, nor the manufacturing that was the bottleneck. It was sourcing of the batteries.

Toyota sold 100k Priuses it's first year (2005), and peaked at 237k Priuses in 2012. At that time, nobody had the capacity (nor the materials), to produce that many battery packs for full EV use. In hind sight, they could have committed fully to LiIon batteries for the future, but in early 2000s, it wasn't clear at all what technology would actually win. The contenders were, as I recall, hydrogen, rechargeable batteries, and bio-fuels. Toyota had concept vehicles for each of those, and the hybrid-electric was the practical compromise at the time. Toyota, being a large scale manufacturer, could not design a car around a critical component which were in short supply, like LiIon batteries.

Tesla decided to go the rechargeable route, invested heavily in battery manufacturing, and bet on LiIon analog of Moore's Law. Since they weren't going to sell 100k vehicles any time soon, they could scale along the way. Tesla didn't deliver 200k vehicles until 2018. (On a side note, Tesla also had Elon leading it. All of his 'crazy ventures' lead to colonizing Mars. What kind of a vehicle would be most practical on Mars? Not gasoline. Not hydrogen. Yep, EV. And what internet technology is the most practical on Mars? Yep, satellite constellations. What transport technology is the most practical on Mars? Underground tunnels. And so on.)

Currently, all the automakers except Tesla are scrambling to secure battery capacity. Tesla is in a very nice position right now.

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by Tuna-Fish on Sunday April 04, 2021 @03:52AM (#26687655)
Not just that, but Toyota also made the bet that solid-state batteries will be better than aqueous electrolyte li-ion ones, and that they will be available soon. With that assumption, it would be foolish to invest a lot into li-ion battery manufacturing.

Turned out, solid state batteries are much harder to mass-produce than they thought. Supposedly they will have prototype this year.

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by yellowapple on Sunday April 04, 2021 @05:59AM (#26688146)
> All of his 'crazy ventures' lead to colonizing Mars

Counterpoint: that flamethrower, which probably won't be of much use in a thin atmosphere lacking oxygen.

Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by RhodoGSA on Saturday April 03, 2021 @10:59PM (#26686559)
best currency for mars? Crypto.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by minitoar on Sunday April 04, 2021 @10:38AM (#26689757)
Haha, I wonder if there is some sort of coin protocol that could be compatible with the deep space network. That latency seems like it could really mess things up.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades by simpleguitar on Sunday April 04, 2021 @01:43AM (#26687167)
Hahaha, didn't think of that one!

DogeCoin FTW!