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Re:UBI in Oakland is the first program only for people of color by jfengel on Friday April 02, 2021 @02:17PM (#26674154)
It's not because you're white.

It's because you're not poor, and you're not in Oakland. You have absolutely no facts about the situation, but you're here anyway, "just worried" about hypothetical people you don't know and haven't even gathered statistics on. You've got no idea why they're offering this to poor blacks in Oakland, and you're just gonna take a guess.

And you're promptly validated in that by other non-poor non-Oaklanders who tell you -- and I'm quoting here -- that your lack of experience is "100%" equivalent to those who do have experience.

That's the problem here: not your whiteness, but the outrage you feel at being excluded from a decision in which you've got no information and no stake. That stems from all of the things at once: your whiteness, your maleness (go ahead, tell me I'm wrong about that), and all the other dimensions along which people get excluded from things and simply never happen to you.

And instead of saying, "Tell me more", you tell everybody that your opinion is devalued solely because of the color of your skin, so that all of the other people in this room full of middle-class white men will tell you that it's wrong to exclude you.

I know you've long since stopped listening to me, but I'm nonetheless going to make a suggestion: the next time you're "just worried" about something, consider whether you've done anything to assuage that worry. Without that, it looks like you're just trying to inform the Oakland City Council of something that it already knows -- because it's literally the only thing you know about it.

Re:UBI in Oakland is the first program only for people of color by djohnston on Sunday April 04, 2021 @08:27AM (#26688897)
Why did you say "just worried"? I didn't say "just worried," I said "worried," your quote is trying to frame me as a Karen and it's inaccurate.

What about my response made you think I'm "outraged"?

"that your lack of experience is "100%" equivalent to those who do have experience." - no one in this thread said this, so I'm curious who you're quoting.

All of your quotes are false. You're trying desperately to wedge this into a narrative that just isn't there.

Re:UBI in Oakland is the first program only for people of color by honkdaddy on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:27PM (#26675048)
So is that where we're at then? People aren't allowed to have opinions on situations they haven't directly experienced themselves?

I understand it's cathartic telling off white males for having opinions, but truly I don't think the case you're making here holds any water.

Re:UBI in Oakland is the first program only for people of color by jfengel on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @08:50AM (#26711132)
That's correct. You're going to have to learn what it's like to be told "You don't know what you're talking about, and your guesses are in fact not as good as the expertise of other people".

The fact that this is so hard for you to hear is the reason that we're having this discussion. People in the majority are have become accustomed to not just having opinions, but to have their opinions override those of other people because they are the majority.

They've gotten used to being told to shut up, and now majorities are starting to learn how that feels. It's not great.

Re:UBI in Oakland is the first program only for people of color by djohnston on Monday April 12, 2021 @05:28PM (#26785428)
Please answer all of my questions though.