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Re:The feminist was a spook: Gloria Steinem and the CIA (2015) by gotostatement on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @01:28PM (#26650209)
Though at first the article seemed interesting and compelling, towards the end of the article, it started to unravel (see the comments about Black women at the very bottom of the page). So I clicked through the site, and realized that it lists feminism as a "poisonous ideology" along with global warming and multiculturalism, with links to the protocols of the elders of zion (a well-known antisemitic conspiracy theory).

And, though the article seems to be sympathetic to marxists, the site also somehow lists Marx as an "architect" of "poisonous ideology." It also has an insanely homophobic fake quote attributed to Marx [0].

So this site just seems like the work of a nutjob bigot and shouldn't be used as a source for anything.

[0] http://www.whale.to/c/karl_marx.html

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Re:The feminist was a spook: Gloria Steinem and the CIA (2015) by AndrewBissell on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @01:33PM (#26650274)
As is often the case with this sort of information, one's choice is either to work to separate the wheat from the chaff (and take it all with a grain of salt), or to never encounter the "much of what it says about Steinem and the CIA that is true" in the first place.

Redstockings, a feminist group from the 70s which took a pretty hardline anti-Steinem and anti-CIA stance, put out a lot of good stuff but it's all buried in print sources and very hard to find. This interview is good though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdi_5cckbXA

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Re:The feminist was a spook: Gloria Steinem and the CIA (2015) by gotostatement on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @01:35PM (#26650299)
There are plenty of reputable sources for radical ideas that don't spew antisemitism, antifeminism, racism, and homophobia. I find it impossible to take this seriously as a source for anything at all, it has lost all credibility for me. Like I said, not doubting the Steinem-CIA connection, but there's no point in reading about it on that website.
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Re:The feminist was a spook: Gloria Steinem and the CIA (2015) by AndrewBissell on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @01:38PM (#26650341)
I think that's a fair perspective in this case, I was put off by much of what is on that site as well, although I would counter that the article from a Hoover Institute scholar that is the original link for this thread is its own brand of "worthless" which people will nevertheless read and refer to.

I did manage to find a Twitter thread with much of the Redstockings' takedown: https://twitter.com/earwulf/status/956306937729245184

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Re:The feminist was a spook: Gloria Steinem and the CIA (2015) by recursivedoubts on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @01:37PM (#26650332)
Avoiding the genetic fallacy? This would involve a lot more thinking...

Seems hard and also potentially dangerous.

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Re:The feminist was a spook: Gloria Steinem and the CIA (2015) by gotostatement on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @02:02PM (#26650718)
there's a difference: automatically negating ideas due to the proponent would be a fallacy. refusing to take a proponent as a reputable source when they espouse other ridiculous and dangerous things is just common sense
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Re:The feminist was a spook: Gloria Steinem and the CIA (2015) by recursivedoubts on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @02:48PM (#26651352)
marx espoused ridiculous and dangerous things

i recommend reading him

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Re:The feminist was a spook: Gloria Steinem and the CIA (2015) by gotostatement on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @02:54PM (#26651425)
nice deflection. have a good day
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