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Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by peteretep on Friday June 17, 2011 @03:23AM (#2664686)
This seems to be an American thing - many Europeans really trust the police. Certainly in the UK I expect police to be helpful, polite, and fair; from everything I've read, that doesn't sound like the case in the US
Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by arethuza on Friday June 17, 2011 @04:31AM (#2664830)
I'm also in the UK - while the individual police officers I've had any dealing with have always been extremely helpful and polite I think it is dangerous to extend this to uncritical trust of the police force as an institution.
Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by philbarr on Friday June 17, 2011 @07:04AM (#2665066)
I think trusting the police, or any institution is a big mistake. People are just people, and the police or medical profossionals can be just as lazy and inept as anyone else in any other line of work.

In fact, I would say in the police it's worse as they learn to dissasociate with people's problems since they see them every day.

Case in point: We were involved in a car crash. The guy crashed in to the side of us and span us 360 degrees. Immediately after the crash I checked on my wife and she said she was ok (I think she was in shock, though, later she had to be cut out of the car, needed oxygen, and was taken to hospital). I got out to see if the people in the other car were ok and saw them try and drive off, but their car was too damaged and they just drove into a few parked cars. I had a clear view of this. When the policeman arrived that night to take our statement it was clear he'd had a long day for whatever reason. I told him I saw the other car attempt to drive off.

"Are you sure, sir?"

"Yes. There were other people there, didn't they say the same thing?"

"No."

"There must have been damage to the other parked cars, though, what about that?"

"The only damage was your car and their car. Remember, you'd just been in a crash, perhaps you're misremembering?"

"But I could've sworn...."

"Are you sure you wish to pursue this? No one else reported this."

"Er, ok, er...."

It was only many months later, when we received the witness accounts from the insurance company, that we realised the witnesses said the same thing as me. Neither the insurance company not the police cared.

Maybe there's an extra form to fill in if someone tries to drive off.

Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by sjtgraham on Friday June 17, 2011 @07:22AM (#2665095)
If you're involved in a motor accident where someone has been hurt, it's a criminal offence to drive away. There would have been a lot more admin for the police officer to do.
Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by sp332 on Friday June 17, 2011 @07:23AM (#2665100)
Yeah, I think technically that would've turned it into a hit-and-run. You're not supposed to leave the scene of an accident.
Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by iwwr on Friday June 17, 2011 @04:43AM (#2664854)
Still, there is no reason to take needless risks. Most may be helpful and polite, but the balance of power is not in your favor. There are way too many laws to make sure you are always on the right side. There may also be honest but false recollections both for you or the police.

Would people refusing to talk to the police actually make catching criminals harder? Perhaps. But that just means the legal system needs important simplifications. Also, the balance of power needs to shift in favor of the citizen.

Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by Tichy on Friday June 17, 2011 @05:37AM (#2664967)
Isn't it also a risk to bring out the big gun (lawyer) immediately? The way I see it, the police can always screw you if they want to. Even if they have nothing against you they can choose to harass you, like check your drivers license every five minutes, anal probing for drugs, whatever.

So it seems like a good idea to play nice and make them be on your side.

I have forgotten the contents of the video in question, though, and I live in Europe. Might watch the video again.

Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by danssig on Friday June 17, 2011 @09:47AM (#2665470)
>So it seems like a good idea to play nice and make them be on your side.

In Europe maybe, but not in the US. You are not a cop so they will never be "on your side". They have cases they are pressured to close, so anyone coming in volunteering information is also showing that they know.

If you make a profile of a perpetrator of a given crime what traits will he have? First of all he/she will know all the details of what happened (since they did it). Someone who wasn't there and wasn't involved wont. So if you witness a crime and describe it to the police you've just proven that you fit that part of the profile. That would automatically make you the number one lead if they have nothing better.

And who knows? When I was a kid I did something I shouldn't have. When I saw a teacher was about to discover it I quickly "informed him" of what some bad child had done. I thought this would divert suspicion away from myself. That person going to the police and being "helpful" may actually be trying to divert attention from themselves, try to figure out how much the cops have figured out, etc. The cops can't know so the only logical thing to do is peruse the different leads according to which one is closest to the likely suspect.

And I'm not even describing the cops doing anything bad like framing people (which isn't unheard of).

Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by pavel_lishin on Friday June 17, 2011 @10:07AM (#2665528)
If they can always screw you, why wouldn't you want the extra protection that an attorney can provide?

That's like saying that a determined thief can always break in, so why bother locking your doors?

Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by Tichy on Friday June 17, 2011 @02:20PM (#2666515)
Have you ever been in a fight? For example back then in the school ground, I wouldn't kick my enemy into the groin. Because that would escalate the rules of the fight into a fight where kicking into the groin is OK. This would have raised the risk of getting kicked in the groin myself.

I can't explain it better than that. I might be wrong, too, when it comes to dealing with the police.

Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by Robin_Message on Friday June 17, 2011 @05:33AM (#2664959)
A similar blog post by a UK police officer: http://nightjack2.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/a-survival-guide-... (some of it is tongue in cheek, like "get your complaint in first" and "allege homophobia or racism", but the point on not talking to your police without a lawyer is exactly the same.)
Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by yuhong on Friday June 17, 2011 @03:51AM (#2664742)
Re:How I almost got a Criminal Record by known on Saturday June 18, 2011 @06:40AM (#2668336)