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Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by traceroute66 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @03:53PM (#26639546)
For those people here saying "go Ruckus unleashed" ... caveat emptor my friends !

I have it on very good authority that Ruckus have started rolling out a change in their pricing model to require a Unleashed license per AP to operate, a move which obviously increases costs to the end-user.

Some people might say its a deliberate move prevent cannibalisation of their main business model by nudging people away from Unleashed. I couldn't possibly comment.

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by c0nsumer on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @10:52PM (#26643020)
Can you share info? Because currently for a single site there is no license fee. I've only got one AP at home, but could put a bunch more of wanted.

It works so well I wouldn't mind paying some fee, but it'll depend on how much.

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by traceroute66 on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @09:30AM (#26647020)
@c0nsumer

My earlier comment was based on a change of policy which happened around 1st March, and any Unleashed quotes as of 1st March (and the two-weeks prior) need to be re-quoted for the new "license per AP" Unleashed model.

I've been a bit busy with other work since that bombshell dropped, but if I get a moment I'll try to dig up some pricing.

The other thing to note is feature discrepancy between Unleashed and standard. Perhaps of most interest to your average HN contributor was (the last time I checked) IPv6 was not supported on Unleashed firmware, and not much sense of urgency (if any !) to rectify that.

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by c0nsumer on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @02:32PM (#26651123)
Thanks! I completely glossed over the IPv6 thing... At home I don't get native IPv6 from my ISP, so I just tend to forget about that. Although it would be neat.

For me I bought my AP on eBay and just plopped the standalone Unleashed firmware on it and that's all seemed fine. In what I see there's nothing changing? But it sounds like you're running a /much/ larger install.

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by traceroute66 on Thursday April 01, 2021 @03:32AM (#26657587)
Actually (and ironically given the context of this thread !) the reason I found out about the policy change was because I was helping someone out who was looking to dump their Ubiquiti kit and realistically it looked like Ruckus was going to be the only sensible option (despite the already unpalatable price premium before the new policy).

As you may or may not be aware, Ruckus have an "all quoted" policy, there is no price list per-se.

At the time I was working on the project (late 2020) Ruckus did have a promotional activity going on where you could buy Unleashed kits at fixed prices without quoting.

However due to various technical questions that were coming up (e.g. IPv6 support) we missed the window and it was uncertain if Ruckus were going to extend the promotion.

Ruckus did extend the promotion, at least initially (Jan-Feb 21') but then they switched to the "license per AP for Unleashed" and the promotion was killed off.

It was at at that point that my friend took the hint and dumped the idea of Ruckus and I went back to my normal work.

If I get a chance I'll try to find out what happens about second-hand kit. My guess would be that if you stay on old firmware there's not much they can do about it. Although whether its desirable or advisable to stay on old firmware is another question, obviously.

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by traceroute66 on Thursday April 01, 2021 @12:20PM (#26662547)
@c0nsumer

Without going into detail because, well, you never know who's reading ....

TL;DR "WatchDog End User Support" is now mandatory for Unleashed and is sold and priced on a per AP per year basis.

The pricing is not too scary (two digit figure per AP per year). But I'm told the requirement is (will be ?) enforced so its unlikely to be a case of being sneaky and paying the first year and "forgetting" to pay the renewal.

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by c0nsumer on Friday April 02, 2021 @10:59AM (#26671946)
Thanks for this info; I appreciate it.

I've clearly only just scratched the surface of Ruckus stuff.

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by IgorPartola on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @05:05PM (#26640501)
Your credit card is stolen and your bank disables it -> your network is dead. What a great user experience.
Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by 1over137 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @07:13PM (#26641694)
>Your credit card is stolen and your bank disables it -> your network is dead.

What are you describing here? I have a Ruckus Unleashed that I bought without a credit card and it works fine.