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Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by dathinab on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @02:57PM (#26638799)
Man I really wonder why the lack of proper 2FA is so wide spread?

Is it rally cost and complexity?

Or just missing awareness?

Or the lack of consequences when you get hacked in a way which could easily have been prevented (through then they might have attacked in a different way, tbh.).

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by neuronic on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @03:17PM (#26639068)
It's people not getting it and being plain annoyed by the second factor. YubiKey or Authenticator app on a different device... it's too inconvenient and people often only do it if forced (e.g. banks do this afaik).
Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by jodrellblank on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @11:46PM (#26643307)
Every day I sit at the same desk, at the same computer, logging into the same websites, using 2FA over and over and over and over while sites time out "for my protection". It's a plague. Write a damn desktop app I can run locally, I didn't ask for people from Turkmenistan to be able to login as me, so you could sell me a halfassed web version of something.

Joseph Heller predicted 2FA in Catch 22 when he wrote:

"Almost overnight the Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade was in full flower, and Captain Black was enraptured to discover himself spearheading it. He had really hit on something. All the enlisted men and officers on combat duty had to sign a loyalty oath to get their map cases from the intelligence tent, a second loyalty oath to receive their flak suits and parachutes from the parachute tent, a third loyalty oath for Lieutenant Balkington, the motor vehicle officer, to be allowed to ride from the squadron to the airfield in one of the trucks.

Every time they turned around there was another loyalty oath to be signed. They signed a loyalty oath to get their pay from the finance officer, to obtain their PX supplies, to have their hair cut by the Italian barbers. To Captain Black, every officer who supported his Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade was a competitor, and he planned and plotted twentyfour hours a day to keep one step ahead. He would stand second to none in his devotion to country. When other officers had followed his urging and introduced loyalty oaths of their own, he went them one better by making every son of a bitch who came to his intelligence tent sign two loyalty oaths, then three, then four;"

Notice how 2FA turns into MFA? Keep adding FA until you're as secure as the security theater demands.

"To anyone who questioned the effectiveness of the loyalty oaths, he replied that people who really did owe allegiance to their country would be proud to pledge it as often as he forced them to. The more 2factor logins a person went through in a working day, the more secure he was; to Captain Black it was as simple as that"

"Captain Piltchard and Captain Wren were both too timid to raise any outcry against Captain Black, who scrupulously enforced each day the doctrine of 'Continual Reaffirmation' that he had originated, a doctrine designed to trap all those men who had become insecure since the last time they passed a 2factor authentication prompt a few minutes earlier."

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by nijave on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @10:03PM (#26655848)
Honestly Windows does this right with AD, Kerberos, Spnego

You login to a physical machine with a password (the machine is trusted on the network via AD so physical access is one factor and password is a second)

You visit websites and they use SPNEGO to land on Kerberos or NTLM auth which then bootstraps off the fact you're already authenticated to Windows. You never even need to see a login page

It's achievable with macOS and Linux but afaik there's some more configuration to be done. The only place I saw with a setup like that was a bank and it was part of a new technology stack that almost nothing used yet

With that setup there's almost nothing to phish if you can train people to only enter their password into the OS at login. You can pretty much eliminate the possibility of credential sharing but locking logins to certain machines

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by benjaminwai on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @02:54AM (#26644243)
> Write a damn desktop app I can run locally, I didn't ask for people from Turkmenistan to be able to login as me, so you could sell me a halfassed web version of something.

Authy Desktop?

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by bsder on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @08:35PM (#26642237)
> Man I really wonder why the lack of proper 2FA is so wide spread?

Because it's a giant PITA unless you have a dedicated team managing it. And the service companies get this and charge accordingly (aka enterprise levels).

It's why companies like 0Auth get bought for gigabucks.

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by closeparen on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @03:20PM (#26639104)
He could have had 2fa on his console account but saved an access key for CLI access. Many large organizations have an infrastructure where you exchange your corporate authentication (including 2FA) for a short lived AWS access key, but AFAIK this isn’t out of the box.
Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by TheGuyWhoCodes on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @04:56PM (#26640368)
You can force 2fa even for cli access as far as I remember but It's not on by default.
Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by closeparen on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @07:56PM (#26642012)
This seems incredibly clunky and most people are probably not doing something that involves typing the ARN of their MFA device on a day to day basis. To be tenable on a daily basis you need something like “aws login” with username, password, and code that sets up your credentials file correctly. Expect people to copy and paste values around, and you’ve already lost.

Not to mention legacy code that only knows about access key ID and secret, and doesn’t have a place to even put a token.

https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/authe...

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by Bellyache5 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @04:17PM (#26639850)
AWS SSO does offer this "out of the box", but many large organizations use their own custom SSO setup with custom-built tools to get temporary tokens.
Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by aneutron on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @03:18PM (#26639081)
Lack of 2FA for the AWS access ? Sure. It might have prevented the attack.

The attacker had access to the whole database. Which meant he could alter the 2FA seed. So it wouldn't have mattered much.

Re:Whistleblower: Ubiquiti Breach “Catastrophic” by dathinab on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @03:28PM (#26639215)
They seem to have gained access through getting secrets from developers as far as I understood it.

So with 2FA they would have had a much harder time to gain access to the database.

The part of changing the seed only matters for customers of the hacked company but is (as far as I can tell) unrelated to them gaining access.