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Re:Voltswagen of America by amenod on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @01:22PM (#26637462)
It is still quite likely he won't be repeating the mistake though. Prison is something else than just money.
Re:Voltswagen of America by headmelted on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @03:22PM (#26639130)
I’m sure it’s awful for normal folk like us but in his case (and again this is uninformed speculation), where he’s essentially the fall guy for a scandal that was supporting one of the world’s largest economies (and a large component of several others), it’s not that hard to imagine his experience being just a bit different than what a normal inmate should expect.

He also likely knows a lot about how many of his superiors were in the loop on this, so I assume he was well compensated for his inconvenience.

Re:Voltswagen of America by wongarsu on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @06:45PM (#26641472)
He was in "Offener Vollzug" (~open prison). That means he sleeps in a normal prison cell (that usually looks like [1], so not all that bad) in a regular prison, gets breakfeast, leaves prison to go to work, then goes straight back to prison to participate in the prison's evening activities (sport, recreational, educational, etc). He might get vacation (from staying in prison), and can visit his family on weekends.

It's not that unusual in Germany, at any time about 16% of prisoners are in "offener Vollzug", and it is a great tool to reintegrate prisoners into society. It is limited to first offenders with no flight risk and no risk that they use their time out of prison to do crime.

Of course no matter how useful of a tool it is generally, it does make the prison sentences of some well known people look like a bit of a joke.

1: https://www.zdf.de/dokumentation/zdfinfo-doku/knast-in-deuts...

Re:Voltswagen of America by lupire on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @06:58PM (#26641565)
What are the 84% that aren't in open prison? Poor people who don't have a corporate apparatus to hide their crimes behind?

Volkswagen emissions killed people with smog. VW are homicidal.

Re:Voltswagen of America by pvorb on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @07:21PM (#26641761)
Corruption is a real problem in Germany and auto makers have a lot of influence on politicians, so the corporate and the political apparatus are interested in hiding these crimes, because a large part of our economy depends on them.
Re:Voltswagen of America by headmelted on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @04:46AM (#26644900)
Pretty disappointing that my comment above was a wild and utterly uninformed guess that was (from what you're saying here) bang on the money.

Turns out that it's almost universally true everywhere that enough wealth and power puts you above the law.

Re:Voltswagen of America by TedDoesntTalk on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @08:11PM (#26642089)
Meanwhile we hear how abusive and inhumane American prisons are. If we had these country clubs in America, what would happen? (Serious question)
Re:Voltswagen of America by kbenson on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @01:37PM (#26637654)
I think that depends on what he thinks the mistake was. To him, was the mistake cheating, getting caught, or being in position to be made an example of? He may no make the mistake again, but I'm not sure that means he won't cheat again in a similar way, given the chance.
Re:Voltswagen of America by Cullinet on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @02:12PM (#26638148)
can I prosecute ex parte the rest of the taxpayers and citizens and asthmatics the administrators supposed to have been in charge of ensuring compliance with emissions standards for failing so incredibly to do their jobs?

or is there no responsibility held by whoever we place in office responsible for seeing our futures aren't squandered?

how is it possible to ignore that obligation and duty when we've only just started to admit that we have to act against such universal polluting?

or has the last encumbant of 2000 Pensylvania Av. just pulled off the brilliant trick of assuming all the blame for the failure of government future and past as well?

(brit with American family and too embarrassed to speak of our politicians presently)

Re:Voltswagen of America by headmelted on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @03:27PM (#26639207)
I’m not sure if the downvotes here are because of your Trump allusions or not, but you do raise a pretty important point.

Where was the oversight? How was it that an open secret of this magnitude didn’t incur the wrath of environmental agencies in the countries affected? Is it possible that no-one outside of the industry knew about this and that everyone in the industry, even in competing firms, just kept this secret for years without anything leaking out?

It doesn’t seem plausible that this wasn’t known about and ignored by regulators in at least some regions.

Re:Voltswagen of America by jay_kyburz on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @07:41PM (#26641924)
I agree, the people enforcing these laws are just as negligent. Why did the let the manufactures anywhere near the testing process.

I would like to think that now, after the scandal, they are selecting and testing cars that have recently been sold. The cars that are actually being driven around.

Re:Voltswagen of America by methodin on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @03:12PM (#26639003)
Is the rest of the world as harsh as the U.S. in that a prison sentence is basically the end of your career? Would this guy have a shot at being an executive again?
Re:Voltswagen of America by querez on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @05:11PM (#26640584)
Depends: given that one can easily google his name and find out about this, it's a bit unlikely he'll be appointed to such a prominent position again. But in general, a prison sentence would not be the end of your career here in the EU. Anecdotally, when I was hob-hunting last time, not one company (out of ~ a dozen) asked for a criminal record before making an offer, and only one company informed me that I'd be required to hand one in afterwards. Of course, the others might've asked for it at a later stage, but at least at the company I went with (as well as all my previous employers) hired me without knowing whether I had any priors. As far as I understand, this depends on the industry, though.
Re:Voltswagen of America by kevbin on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @04:52PM (#26640309)
Is there evidence that white collar criminal convictions are career ending in the USA?