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Re:Alabama legislature advances bills that would outlaw tran... by smt88 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @06:14AM (#26632909)
Absolutely not click-bait. The title reflects the intent and content of the bills. The Alabama legislature is vocally against the concept of transgenderism.

> AFAIK this and similar bills outlaw what could be termed “body modification” for under-18 children

Surgery recommended by a doctor is not "body modification," it is medical treatment.

Also, this goes far beyond surgery. It also outlaws the use of prescription drugs.

> roughly in line with overall limitations on the freedoms of underage individuals (e.g. regarding technically-consensual sex, or vulva surgery - which is legally “female circumcision” if performed on underage women

First of all, minors can have consensual, legal sex... with each other. Age-of-consent laws are intended to protect children from adults, not from themselves. I don't see what this has to do with anything, because it's unrelated to a medical condition and doesn't require a doctor to carefully manage it.

Second, "female circumcision" is not "vulva surgery," it is usually mutilation of the clitoris intended to eliminate female pleasure. It is not something a minor would (or could) seek as a treatment for any medical condition.

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Re:Alabama legislature advances bills that would outlaw tran... by smt88 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @08:41AM (#26633891)
I'm not a doctor, but my understanding is that trans people still have bodies after they transition. Do you disagree?
Re:Alabama legislature advances bills that would outlaw tran... by xxxxxxss1 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @09:11AM (#26634168)
I don't trust children to make decisions about irreversibly altering their own bodies.

There's a very real chance that this could be viewed by a future generation like 1920s "Progressives" that thought they were agents of goodness and social progress, equipped with science.

This whole unqualified pro-trans push could be hubristic people who're unwittingly "medically fixing" queer kids with internalized concepts and phobias from their social culture.

Re:Alabama legislature advances bills that would outlaw tran... by smt88 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @10:32AM (#26635026)
> I don't trust children to make decisions about irreversibly altering their own bodies.

Neither do I. Neither does anyone. You're attacking something that does not happen. Children who want to transition have to consult with physicians and psychologists.

> There's a very real chance that this could be viewed by a future generation like 1920s "Progressives" that thought they were agents of goodness and social progress, equipped with science.

No, there isn't. You seem to be talking about eugenics, which was people forcing their views of "science" onto others.

In the case of children transitioning, it's not anything being forced on them. Their parents are not coming up with it, and neither are their doctors. It's something they bring up themselves.

Children are almost always given reversible (meaning hormone-based) treatments, and the rate at which they change their minds later is 0.4%[1].

Considering how rare transgender people are in the first place, that is an exceedingly small number of people.

1. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/media-s-detransition...

Re:Alabama legislature advances bills that would outlaw tran... by xxxxxxss1 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @10:51AM (#26635272)
> You seem to be talking about eugenics

I'm talking about having a healthy sense of self-doubt.

History shows us that the imprimatur of science is used to advance hubris-driven, pernicious social ideas of a time.

The take-away is that when you're absolutely convinced that some new trend is moral and liberating, you should at the very least try to imagine the possibility that you're not only wrong but actively doing harm.

Re:Alabama legislature advances bills that would outlaw tran... by smt88 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @12:00PM (#26636239)
There are hundreds of studies investigating whether harm is done. You seem to be speculating without doing any research first.
Re:Alabama legislature advances bills that would outlaw tran... by DougN7 on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @12:25AM (#26643513)
If children bring up wanting to do hard drugs, and they talk with parents, doctors and psychologists, and still want to do it, should we let them? Hell no! They’re not mature enough to really understand the life long consequences. And so many people make bad choices during their emotional and hormone fueled teen years, that alone should be a check against making permanent changes.