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Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by lalaland1125 on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:20PM (#26630670)
> As a religious person, it is a bit frustrating that you never see atheists confronting the great theologists and religious philosophers - Origen, St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Kierkegaard, or even contemporary thinkers like Alasdair McIntyre. If Christians' beliefs are really so shallow and stupid, those guys should be super easy to refute, right?

The main issue with most of these philosophical arguments is that they don't prove anything even worth refuting. Almost all of them simply attempt to prove the existence of a deistic God that does not meaningfully interact with the world (beyond creating it or sustaining it).

Deistic Gods by their vary nature don't provide any meaningful knowledge. Believing that there was a creator doesn't provide any useful information about how to help live your life or how the world works.

As a starting point I don't think there are any good arguments for why a person should believe that the bible was influenced/written by God any more than other books.

Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by dawg- on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:51PM (#26631105)
I already replied to your comment below, but this one is interesting too.

> The main issue with most of these philosophical arguments is that they don't prove anything even worth refuting. Almost all of them simply attempt to prove the existence of a deistic God that does not meaningfully interact with the world (beyond creating it or sustaining it).

I don't think any good philosopher would admit to the embarrassment of actually having "proved" something!

Jokes aside, you wouldn't consider "sustaining the world" to be a fairly meaningful ongoing interaction?

> Believing that there was a creator doesn't provide any useful information

Very pragmatic! Assume there is a God - what kind of things would he consider "useful"?

Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by lalaland1125 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @12:17AM (#26631212)
> Very pragmatic! Assume there is a God - what kind of things would he consider "useful"?

I generally define usefulness in terms of helping a person make better decisions to help increase the utility (bringing joy, fulfillment, happiness) of sentient creatures.

How does knowing about the existence of a deistic God help a person make better decisions?

This is my issue with deism. It could be true or false and my life wouldn't change one bit.