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Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by boomboomsubban on Monday March 29, 2021 @01:24PM (#26625191)
Catholicism also teaches that every non-Catholic person is going to hell.
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Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by relaxing on Monday March 29, 2021 @01:40PM (#26625426)
That’s not true. It was long debated, and finally clarified in the Vatican II (in the mid 1960s.)

Any Catholic still saying that today is going against the Church.

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Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by slumdev on Monday March 29, 2021 @01:50PM (#26625594)
To be a little more precise, Catholicism teaches that every person in Heaven is a Catholic (even if they weren't necessarily a Catholic on earth.) It admits baptism by desire and the possibility of salvation of those who are invincibly ignorant.

But, at the same time, Catholic tradition has always maintained that even most Catholics end up in Hell. There's even biblical support for the idea in the "wide"/"narrow gate" language of the Gospels.

So, if Catholicism is the one true Faith, and even most Catholics end up in Hell, why would anyone reason that those outside of the one true Faith have good odds?

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Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by epistasis on Monday March 29, 2021 @01:33PM (#26625326)
Catholicism isn't monolithic apparently, because that does not appear to be the first answer in a web search:

https://www.catholic.com/qa/do-non-catholic-christians-go-to...

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Re:Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time by boomboomsubban on Monday March 29, 2021 @01:47PM (#26625528)
This says non-Catholics who have not committed a mortal sin can go to heaven, which includes "have no other God before me." Further, I'm pretty sure they consider the sacrament of baptism necessary to go to heaven, defacto ruling out every non-catholic.

edit I'm apparently somewhat misremembering things, and any non-catholic without a mortal sin has a supposed chance, but I still would say that rules out all non-catholics.

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