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Re:Yes, experts will lie to you sometimes by lordnacho on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:50AM (#26622543)
It's caused by the nature of PR. Everything is soundbites, no time for explanation. If I have your ear for 30 seconds or a minute, I'm going to say "Free trade good" before the clock runs out, because it's closer to what I want to say (net good, distribution can be an issue) or has the effect that I want (healthcare workers get masks first), without giving all the details that a proper explanation would be able to give.

Attempting to tell people the details would conflict with the idea of a soundbite: final advice from an expert. Which is a bit unfortunate, because at the expert level a lot of knowledge is not final, it's a discussion with nuances that change as evidence is produced.

It's probably not great that world has ended up with no attention span, but here we are.

Re:Yes, experts will lie to you sometimes by katmannthree on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:04AM (#26622791)
Unfortunately those experts are only experts in their respective fields and are either unable or unwilling to consider the second order consequences of their decisions, such as greatly diminished trust in their institution by people who recognize their obvious lies and in this specific case, causing mask resistance in a large number of individuals.
Re:Yes, experts will lie to you sometimes by umvi on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:23AM (#26623100)
> Unfortunately those experts are only experts in their respective fields and are either unable or unwilling to consider the second order consequences of their decisions

Right... imagine handing over control of society, the economy, and more to computer scientists because of a computer crisis that is killing people at scale (hospital ransomware, a virus that spreads via Bluetooth and causes cell phones to explode and kill people, a virus that causes car accidents, all of them simultaneously, etc.) Imagine Dr. Stallman becoming a new public figurehead that wields incredible power over the lives of Americans. At his word, any industry can be shut down overnight in order to save lives. At his word people must carry their phones around in faraday cages or wear tinfoil lined hats for legitimate scientific reasons. At his word, all people must stop playing online video games if he deems it necessary. Seems absurd, but that's essentially what happened here.

Re:Yes, experts will lie to you sometimes by peytn on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:43AM (#26623492)
I disagree. Communications is a core competency for public health. You can find it in the core curriculum of almost every degree in the field, e.g. [1].

What happened here is a fairly cynical culture of message paternalism that didn’t survive contact with reality and, frankly, needs an overhaul in my opinion. I don’t think it will get that overhaul unless people ask for it. In the meantime, its results speak for themselves.

[1]: https://www.jhsph.edu/academics/degree-programs/master-of-pu...

Re:Yes, experts will lie to you sometimes by umvi on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:52AM (#26623657)
> I disagree. Communications is a core competency for public health.

And yet Dr. Fauci became the US public health figurehead despite not having a degree in public health. Dr. Fauci has a BA in classics and an MD, and has spent his career specializing in immunology. Shouldn't we have picked someone with actual experience and background in public health and not someone who has specialized their career in studying viruses? Fauci is first and foremost a researcher, not a public health figurehead who is good at communicating with said public.

Re:Yes, experts will lie to you sometimes by afarrell on Monday March 29, 2021 @01:00PM (#26624806)
We should have a person who is skilled at communicating with the public about policy decisions and who can calmly preside over conversations like this.
Re:Yes, experts will lie to you sometimes by clairity on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:44AM (#26623516)
i'd go further and challenge the concept of 'expert' itself. a super common tactic is to trot out a researcher in one niche of a field and claim them to be an expert for the entire field. this is essentially the position fauci is in. his claim to fame is for something he did 30 years ago, yet, he's expected to speak for the entirety of the medical and epidemiological fields.

there's an unlimited supply of such 'experts' willing to trade message for power.

Re:Yes, experts will lie to you sometimes by lordnacho on Monday March 29, 2021 @12:50PM (#26624641)
This is another effect of low attention media. There's no nuance. An astrophysicist is a scientist. A options trader is a financier. An embedded C dev is a coder.
Re:Yes, experts will lie to you sometimes by clairity on Monday March 29, 2021 @01:16PM (#26625072)
that's why we need everyone using their brains, even if they come to wildly implausible conclusions for any given topic, rather than blindly relying on 'experts'.

we the people must question and challenge the so-called experts publicly. that would constrain the mediopolitical narrative in a way that reflects the general wisdom of the crowds. where we go wrong is allowing the mediopolitical machine to lead with a self-serving narrative which preemptively correlate opinions along their preferred axis rather than the collectively wise one.

it's a age-old battle but one we must continue to wage.