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Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by pydry on Monday March 29, 2021 @09:52AM (#26621530)
Him treating humans like robots is why they're unionizing in the first place.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by AlexTWithBeard on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:08PM (#26628887)
Could it be because these people do robotic jobs?
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by boublepop on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @08:13AM (#26633675)
Just because a human is doing a repetitive job it does not justify having them urinate in bottles and defecating in bags at their stations to reduce the crucial time they take away from their primary job function.

Chefs do “robotic jobs” repeatedly creating the same end product. Would you be comfortable if the person who prepared your Michelin course dinner was forced to urinate in a bottle while they did it? Why are we ok with treating human beings like this, simply because we do not romanticize the task of sorting and moving boxes.

Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by lovegoblin on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:33PM (#26629134)
Even if so, they still deserve to be treated like people.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by Caylio on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:02PM (#26629843)
Yes, treated like people that can be replaced by robots.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by tlibert on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:43PM (#26630126)
We all can eventually be replaced and should be careful what precedents we establish now. “First they came for the warehouse workers...”
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by AlexTWithBeard on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:23PM (#26630681)
It didn't happen with industrial revolution, I doubt it will happen now. Robots will not replace plumbers, waiters, teachers, barbers - at least not in the nearest future.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by tlibert on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @05:41PM (#26640904)
Clearly one of us has more faith in automation.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by WalterBright on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:28PM (#26630710)
More accurately "first they came for the weavers."
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by tlibert on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @05:41PM (#26640909)
Well, the weavers did fight back on their own behalf.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by AlexTWithBeard on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:50PM (#26630166)
I think they are.

Modern American safety net is far from perfect, but it does a pretty good job making sure people don't die from hunger not freeze to death.

Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by lovegoblin on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:08PM (#26630609)
That's an astonishingly low bar.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by AlexTWithBeard on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:45PM (#26630807)
Low bar is not always wrong.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by loceng on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:37AM (#26622301)
And society not giving an adequate UBI to help make people anti-exploitation is why unionizing has needed to become a thing.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by PeterisP on Monday March 29, 2021 @05:44PM (#26628587)
The better remuneration and conditions the workers have, the more expensive they are, and the more there's an incentive to invest into capital replacing labor so that you have more machines and fewer workers.

There are many things that could be automated right now (for example, in the garments industry) but are not because it's currently cheaper to do them in a third world country by poorly paid workers - but the moment those workers would have to be properly paid, the tasks would go away as then it would be cheaper to automate.

Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by dunefox on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @06:18AM (#26632932)
Then those tasks absolutely need to be automated. If you can't even pay living wages in a poorer country then this isn't a task that humans should perform.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by maskedoffender on Monday March 29, 2021 @05:08PM (#26628186)
You'll just get more and more people believing all work is exploitation and they'll stop working. Then the people still working will have higher taxes, feel that they're being exploited by the people not working, and soon everybody will be unemployed and nobody will be exploited and it'll be paradise.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by yellowapple on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:35PM (#26630059)
> You'll just get more and more people believing all work is exploitation and they'll stop working.

Which means less labor supply, which means higher labor prices, which means greater incentive for people to work (since wages would no longer be suppressed by the "either I take this predatory offer or I starve to death" effect).

> Then the people still working will have higher taxes

Not necessarily. That depends on who and what you tax. A land value tax + a tax on income or wealth after a certain point (say, $1m/year) would readily pay for UBI without putting any tax burden on the working class. The other benefits of LVT (like incentivizing denser urbanization and penalizing land speculation) are nice cherries on top.

Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by dTal on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @06:46PM (#26641480)
>Which means less labor supply, which means higher labor prices...

...which means higher prices of good and services, which means that the basic income you had previously settled on is no longer sufficient to survive on. How sure are we that there's a stable equilibrium?

Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by yellowapple on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @11:39PM (#26643263)
> which means higher prices of good and services

Only if automation never happens. Clearly that ain't the case, per this very comment section and the topic thereof.

Indeed, automation's going to continue anyway, because as automation costs fall they'll eventually undercut labor costs - even those artifically suppressed through coercive means, as is currently the case in any (capitalist or otherwise) society lacking a socioeconomic safety net like UBI. So sooner or later something like UBI is necessary either way (that, or making people do pointless busy work, which is both paternalistic and grossly inefficient).

Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by igorkraw on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:07PM (#26628875)
Almost yes, except wages for the stuff that needs to be done will rise to the point that you actually earn almost what your labor is worth :-) some of the most important jobs in the world (nurses?!) pay much less than my hobby of sitting in front of a computer and making pretty plots. That's fucked up
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by loceng on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:04PM (#26628831)
Quite the unsupported fantasy you've put forward - sounds similar to the argument that once people have enough money they'll stop working, so better pay them only enough to survive - until you include billionaires into the equation, who don't stop working when they have enough to live for 1,000s of years.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by AlexTWithBeard on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:10PM (#26628910)
Billionaires are crazy kind of folks.

To realize what people are going to do when they don't have to work, look at those in retirement: gardening, choir singing, lotto may be?

Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by marakv2 on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @12:15AM (#26631206)
So disappointed that batman/social reform was never realised by those folk.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by maskedoffender on Monday March 29, 2021 @07:00PM (#26629387)
Right, billionaires will do whatever they can to earn more, including leaving a country with high tax rates.

But a lot of people if guaranteed a minimal quality of living would just stop working and do things that they like (that don't necessarily make money) and that's the whole point of UBI.

Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by SamoyedFurFluff on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:23PM (#26630981)
Doing things that they like would still be working. They just don’t have to engage in rat race jobs anymore. They can have the dignity a billionaire has.