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Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by tsimionescu on Saturday March 27, 2021 @03:35PM (#26604902)
So you believe the grid can be said to be working well with occasional dips to 0MWh? Or is some base load in fact an obvious necessity?

You may argue that the current value of the base load is artificially high, but there obviously is some fundamental base load given by the kinds of consumers you have.

Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by dragonwriter on Saturday March 27, 2021 @03:40PM (#26604944)
> So you believe the grid can be said to be working well with occasional dips to 0MWh?

With distributed generation and storage, yes, it's plausible to have periods of 0MW grid demand.

> there obviously is some fundamental base load given by the kinds of consumers you have.

The kinds of consumers you have are not a fixed quantity; particularly their on-site use, generation, and storage patterns all vary over time.

Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by tsimionescu on Saturday March 27, 2021 @03:48PM (#26605011)
I'm talking about 0 MWh for the entire grid, which includes all of the distributed generators. So, by definition, shutting down each and every piece of electric equipment connected to the entire grid. You truly believe that is a tenable position?

If not, than you must accept there exists some necessary base load. That can be provided from base production like it is today, or it could theoretically be provided from storage and over-production in a hypothetical renweables-only grid.

Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by fulafel on Saturday March 27, 2021 @04:00PM (#26605109)
It's unlikely to hit 0 even at night, no reason to stop all the windmills and hydro, and there will be stored energy buyers and sellers. But there won't be production guarantees to some level based on anticipated demand.
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by tsimionescu on Saturday March 27, 2021 @04:17PM (#26605246)
I know it's unlikely, but the point was that there exists some minimum need of energy, even in the most flexible grid imaginable, some base load necessary.
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by fulafel on Saturday March 27, 2021 @04:42PM (#26605475)
Technically yes, I guess the grid has to be kept energized to work.