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Re:Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over C... by jamesgreenleaf on Saturday March 27, 2021 @10:32AM (#26602526)
Another problem is that something like this can function as "evidence" for the claim. There are large groups of people who believe that censorship like this validates a worldview in which powerful interests are censoring true information in order to maintain control. It's similar to the Streisand Effect or "Banned in Boston" but for belief rather than attention.

It seems like the better solution is to have an outpouring of discussion around how and why the claim is wrong. Let others ridicule the statements, rather than shutting down discussion. You'll never convince everyone, but at least you'd avoid the validation-by-censorship effect.

I could be wrong on this though. I don't really have any evidence or data that would show doing it one way is better than the other. I suppose I simply prefer open discussion.

Re:Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over C... by hrktb on Saturday March 27, 2021 @01:01PM (#26603667)
One issue is that it’s asymmetrical. Made up statements have more resonance and shocking value than well thought rebuffs or ridicule.

If you accuse your opponent of eating babies at breakfast, other parties will have a hard time to find something as punchy, and some minority of people will swallow your statement. Throw around enough of these and you’ll have a large base covered, with your opponents left scrambling for boring or after the fact retorts that won’t have the same reach.

Re:Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over C... by aetherson on Saturday March 27, 2021 @01:48PM (#26603992)
And that is why you, yourself, believe lots of wrong things like this, right?
Re:Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over C... by hrktb on Saturday March 27, 2021 @03:34PM (#26604887)
I think that yes, I am effectively exposed to random baseless lies, and only a few of the voices crying foul will ever reach my eyes.

For instance I read a headline about future rising petrol prices due to the stuck Evergreen boat, and honestly I have no idea how true it is, don’t care enough to go down the rabbit hole, but still remembered it as an information, and might subconsciously be influenced by it on some decisions.

This is less likely to happen on fields I have decent interest or expertise in, but that only represents a tiny fragment of the information we consume everyday.

Re:Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over C... by lupire on Saturday March 27, 2021 @11:41AM (#26603087)
It's a hard problem. Liars can spam lies much faster than honest people can debunk it.
Re:Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over C... by tomjen3 on Saturday March 27, 2021 @06:45PM (#26606291)
You would only have an outpouring of discussion as to why the claim is wrong if you are 100% certain the claim is wrong.

Last spring the CDC and the WHO were consistently wrong on masks, on asymmetric spread, etc on just about everything.

Maybe the experts themselves don't even trust what is supposedly the truth anymore.

Re:Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over C... by anovikov on Saturday March 27, 2021 @02:13PM (#26604177)
Thing is, any substantiative discussion will be way too complex for most people who could fall to these conspiracy theories, to understand, and they will arrive to a conclusion like "these Jews are trying to look too smart and bullshit us".

Sadly, this asymmetrical warfare from authoritarian nations hits the right point: it forces us to either let misinformation flow and people become manipulated by it, or to revert to authoritarian measures by gradually chipping away freedom of speech.

Re:Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over C... by postmeta on Saturday March 27, 2021 @05:40PM (#26605881)
or increase transparency and demand accountability from platforms amplifying messages without transparent traceability of information.
Re:Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over C... by anovikov on Sunday March 28, 2021 @01:29AM (#26608216)
...which is the exact opposite of what these platforms, as businesses, were designed to do: maximally amplify and disperse the most "clickable" information - which is the one understandable to everyone (dumb) and appealing to people's instincts (authoritarian, because we are herd animals).

given the power these platforms have, i highly doubt this attempt to regulate their business in a clearly negative way to them, can be successful. they are so powerful, even CCP is afraid of them, starting a crackdown on social media in China.

Re:Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over C... by mistermann on Saturday March 27, 2021 @03:03PM (#26604599)
> There are large groups of people who believe that censorship like this validates a worldview in which powerful interests are censoring true information in order to maintain control. It's similar to the Streisand Effect or "Banned in Boston" but for belief rather than attention.

Similarly, there are large groups of people that believe there are large groups of people who believe that censorship like this validates a worldview in which powerful interests are censoring true information in order to maintain control. The degree to which the respective beliefs of these two groups of people are actually correct, is unknown.

I suspect that the group of people that believe this is considerably smaller than the other two groups, at least in Western cultures.

I believe this phenomenon is (at least in part) what Hindus refer to as Maya.

https://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/maya.asp