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Re:Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumpt... by dan-robertson on Friday March 26, 2021 @10:33AM (#26592619)
Yeah the problem is that what people actually want is not exposure to volatility in the energy market so much as cheaper energy prices. And energy looks cheaper if you just get wholesale prices because you are not paying for the insurance against high prices that your energy provider is probably buying. It isn’t easy to convince people that they are picking up pennies in front of a steamroller, so I’m not sure I would actually like to see it becoming easy to get wholesale prices.
Re:Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumpt... by Scoundreller on Friday March 26, 2021 @11:42AM (#26593419)
With smart enough appliances, we could smooth out that volatility.

Shed the pool heater/cleaner, beer fridge and the hot water heater when things get incredibly expensive.

Put the washer/dryer in slow-mo when prices are high.

Ultra-chill the freezer and A/C when prices go low/negative.

Turn on a resistive heater and shut off the gas heat when things are negative...

Instead we want complicated too-big-to-fail grid storage systems instead.

Re:Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumpt... by dan-robertson on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:35PM (#26597227)
So one difficulty is that the future price of electricity is hard to predict. There is a whole lot of money that goes into trying to make probabilistically accurate predictions about the future prices of things. If it were easy then there wouldn’t be such a large industry around solving these problems. Because it is hard to predict future prices, it is hard to know if prices have temporarily changed (ie if prices are high/low) or if prices are going to continue changing and will stay that way for a while (ie if prices are currently lower/higher than they soon will be).

For example, if you had a smart home that cut off heating in the recent Texas event when it saw prices rising (because it assumed prices would revert soon allowing for cheaper heating a little later) it would end up having to pay even more later when prices turned out to continue rising.

I don’t really think smart appliances are a sufficient solution for ordinary people because there is too much power usage that is fixed (or worse, correlated with high demand/low supply) and I don’t think consumers are actually signing up for the price volatility on their fixed usage.

It feels like you are suggesting that it’s ok to have everyone picking up pennies in front of steamrollers because they can speed up a bit if the steamroller gets too close or go and pick up more pennies if it is further away. But I say that this won’t be good enough if the steamroller starts going faster and they get too tired running away. It’s especially bad because many people merely thought they were picking up pennies and didn’t realise they were being chased by a steamroller. I feel like this analogy is pretty strained by now but the recent events in Texas showed a lot of people getting squashed without realising that they had been spending years running around in front of steamrollers.

Re:Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumpt... by rhodozelia on Friday March 26, 2021 @02:11PM (#26595125)
the grid is quite reliable in most of the world and provides as much power as you want whenever you want.

I much prefer simple dumb appliances than smart crap that is garbage after 5 years. If the price is high like in Texas recently I can decide to not use the dryer.