Re:Pollution from fossil fuel combustion deadlier than previ...
by _carbyau_ on Thursday March 25, 2021 @08:42PM
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Weirdly, I think we're largely on the same side here. :-)
Lets break this down:
1. I took a bus to a train to a bus to a tiny village in the countryside in England. Nothing in view for miles except the pub at the bus stop and a farm.
1A. Cool. I can't do that. I did write a convenience comparison [train, all day regional bus, unknown last mile effort] vs [car] but it was lengthy with predictable results, especially when travelling with wife and toddler.
But I am absolutely not against trying to make it better.
2. You could absolutely go visit your friend on his farm if we had a decent public transit system.
2A. Ok.
3. Also how is your specific case a refutation of the GPs argument anyway? Everybody always loves to argue against public transit with some weird special case that's somehow "possible". It's quite tiresome.
3A. I didn't think I was refuting? I like the idea of decent public transport for all. I mean, there wasn't even any specifics mentioned. Just a general "goodness" of it. I like goodness!
But many people take for granted the miracle of convenience a car provides. It certainly isn't some weird special case.
It is a huge task to match that with Public Transport, just via engineering and technically. Let alone doing it in such a manner that it is socially accepted by the public at large.
4. How about some imagination instead. Is it such a stretch to image a rural bus route that goes by your friends farm? How about a few mile bicycle ride from the nearest town's train station? How about renting a car ala Zipcar? I am sure there are many other ways to solve this non-problem.
4A. I did say "With money, engineering and creativity it could be done." And it really isn't an all or nothing endeavor either.
But it is a HUGE endeavor to match the convenience of a car. And my example was merely trying to demonstrate that.
Lets break this down:
1. I took a bus to a train to a bus to a tiny village in the countryside in England. Nothing in view for miles except the pub at the bus stop and a farm.
1A. Cool. I can't do that. I did write a convenience comparison [train, all day regional bus, unknown last mile effort] vs [car] but it was lengthy with predictable results, especially when travelling with wife and toddler.
But I am absolutely not against trying to make it better.
2. You could absolutely go visit your friend on his farm if we had a decent public transit system.
2A. Ok.
3. Also how is your specific case a refutation of the GPs argument anyway? Everybody always loves to argue against public transit with some weird special case that's somehow "possible". It's quite tiresome.
3A. I didn't think I was refuting? I like the idea of decent public transport for all. I mean, there wasn't even any specifics mentioned. Just a general "goodness" of it. I like goodness!
But many people take for granted the miracle of convenience a car provides. It certainly isn't some weird special case.
It is a huge task to match that with Public Transport, just via engineering and technically. Let alone doing it in such a manner that it is socially accepted by the public at large.
4. How about some imagination instead. Is it such a stretch to image a rural bus route that goes by your friends farm? How about a few mile bicycle ride from the nearest town's train station? How about renting a car ala Zipcar? I am sure there are many other ways to solve this non-problem.
4A. I did say "With money, engineering and creativity it could be done." And it really isn't an all or nothing endeavor either.
But it is a HUGE endeavor to match the convenience of a car. And my example was merely trying to demonstrate that.