Your not really spending 8 hours a day with them when your remote though, your team/coworkers w/e are just people to sync up with when you need to.

Sure, but if you don't have any bonds with your coworkers you're either having zero social contact for 8 hours/day, or trying to work while socialising with non-coworkers. There are definitely days where I keep my head down and don't talk to anyone, but I wouldn't want every day to be like that.

If you're socializing with co-workers you're also not working. One of the problems is the 8 hour work day. I don't want to be forced to spend 40+ hours a week with co-workers. That is why people aren't having healthy social lives. Work is draining their time and energy. Yes, people make due by creating social bonds with their co-workers, but I'd hardly call that ideal.

> If you're socializing with co-workers you're also not working.

Only in a narrow sense. If anything employers in our industry tend to deliberately encourage employees to socialise (within reason): casual contact is important to help different parts of the org chart break out of their silos, liminal spaces are an important route for information that might be suppressed over normal channels, and almost everyone knows at some level that you can't do 40 hours of productive programming per week. The way I see it, a certain amount of socialising on the clock is win-win.

> One of the problems is the 8 hour work day. I don't want to be forced to spend 40+ hours a week with co-workers. That is why people aren't having healthy social lives. Work is draining their time and energy.

I don't disagree, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Given that I do have to work 8 hours/day, I'd rather humanise that time as much as possible than refuse out of some sense of accelerationism.

I wouldn't call optimizing for information flow through an organization in a way prescribed by management "socializing" or even "good".

Wfh definitely isn't accelerationism (or perfect). It's just a chance to live somewhere less oppressively expensive and have less surveillance from your employer all day. It's up to the individual to take advantage of that. If socializing is important to them, there are more opportunities to do it, it just takes a bit more work but I would argue the results are much healthier and more natural than relying on work and centering relationships around working.

Micromanaged "socialising" is indeed bad for everyone. But organic socialisation at work can be win-win. Refusing to socialise at work is what I'm saying is accelerationism.