My first job in an open floor plan (really a trading floor setup), we would literally watch colds and other ailments work their way up and down the rows each winter.
I would be fine in the office in closed space with other people if it make sense for my work, regardless of covid.
If a "really small risk" is 545k people dead in a year in the US, even with all the precautions we have taken, I think we fundamentally disagree on what a really small risk is. There are now more dead from Covid in a year than the entire durations of both World Wars combined and in about a month or so, we can lump in Vietnam in there as well.
And his case, although is very possible, also need further investigation, is it really because the covid?
The number of death is highly inflated, that number include every case remotely related to covid. Also the US population has increased considerably compared back to word war.
Also lockdown can cause death too.
He was 100% fine before covid, then all of a sudden has chronic leg pains directly after which seem very consistent with blood clotting and nerve issues that covid causes?
The excess deaths from all causes was up sharply in 2020, and correlates exactly with the start of the pandemic in 2020. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores (remove the default countries, and just add the US- you will see an exact overlay with covid cases and deaths). How do you justify your claim?
You are being willfully ignorant, though I am glad you clearly haven't had this affect you in any way. I have two close friends that have lost parents to Covid.
so mask only work with influenza ?
>He was 100% fine before covid, then all of a sudden has chronic leg pains directly after which seem very consistent with blood clotting and nerve issues that covid causes?
Could still be coincide with something else. Even if it covid that caused that, still need to how how prevalent this is. I know friends that got covid but recover fully.
>The excess deaths from all causes was up sharply in 2020, and correlates exactly with the start of the pandemic in 2020. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores (remove the default countries, and just add the US- you will see an exact overlay with covid cases and deaths). How do you justify your claim?
The lockdown also corelates with the start of the pandemic, how do u know its not caused by the lockdown ?
In the place that don't implement lockdown, the death chart look similar, how do u know if lockdown work ?
And by the way, death is not the only metric to go by.
Lets say you can reduce death number but in order to do that you increase misery, that would be suck, I certainly don't want that.
>You are being willfully ignorant, though I am glad you clearly haven't had this affect you in any way. I have two close friends that have lost parents to Covid.
I'm not blindly against lockdown, I'm againts lockdown because it doesn't make sense. It caused problem greater than the virus itself.
The lockdown has certainly affect me. I too have friends that suffer from the lockdown.
No claim was ever made that they are 100% effective. Vaccines are not 100% effective either, this does not mean they are ineffective.
> Could still be coincide with something else. Even if it covid that caused that, still need to how how prevalent this is.
Willfully ignorant.
> The lockdown also corelates with the start of the pandemic, how do u know its not caused by the lockdown ?
Because lifting restrictions is directly related to increases in cases, which is then directly correlated to the number of deaths? Willfully ignorant.
> I'm not blindly against lockdown, I'm againts lockdown because it doesn't make sense. It caused problem greater than the virus itself
We might agree that there may be more effective ways to keep people separated than a full blown lockdown, balancing health concerns with people's needs, but at the time, it was the best tool in the toolbox- and outside the US worked well- New Zealand, for example, which is pretty much back to normal these days after a duration much closer to the first time period.
As for your last statement, you are certainly implying that your own inconvenience is far more damaging than the lives of others. You don't want to wear a mask, you won't stay home, you... just want to let the people die and let the chips fall where they may. All the while claiming that lockdowns are ineffective while in your other posts admitting you didn't follow them [1][2]. "The thing doesn't work even though I didn't do it and I am fully aware it requires everyone's compliance to be effective." Sounds like you are ready to run for office as a Republican.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23817123 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24191298
Correlation != Causation. Willfully ignorant.
>We might agree that there may be more effective ways to keep people separated than a full blown lockdown, balancing health concerns with people's needs, but at the time, it was the best tool in the toolbox- and outside the US worked well- New Zealand, for example, which is pretty much back to normal these days after a duration much closer to the first time period.
South dakota, sweeden don't have lockdown and they pretty much normal all these times. Florida has short lockdown, but they realized their mistake and quickly lifted it. They are normal too.
>you are certainly implying that your own inconvenience is far more damaging than the lives of others. '
No, lockdown affect a lot of people, not just me and its just not merely inconvenience.
> just want to let the people die and let the chips fall where they may
No, I never said that. I support reducing/preventing death as much as we possibly can, but trying to do so with causing so much damage that is bigger than the virus itself, I can't support.
Huh? The reason why offices of big tech companies are closed is SOLELY due to covid.