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Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by flir on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @10:04AM (#26555116)
To avoid the subject is to, implicitly, side with the status quo. "Everything is political", even the choice to avoid politics.
Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by nerdponx on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @10:15AM (#26555266)
And other people don't want their club to be political as such, but they feel personally threatened by people with certain political views. They feel uncomfortable with even the suggestion that someone in their club might hold such views.

This is true regardless of one's personal political affiliation.

I know at least a few people who think (not without justification) that American political conservatives generally want them and everyone like them dead and/or in some state of second-class citizenship.

On the flipside, I know a handful of conservatives who believe fervently that left-leaning political policy is going to destroy their and their families' livelihoods, leaving their children without the future that they've worked hard to build.

I don't see how anyone could be comfortable in a knitting club alongside someone who they see as a literal existential threat.

Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @10:42AM (#26555616)
It's not specifically a knitting club problem, is it?

The corollary is that it's not realistic to expect hobby knitters to solve a set of radioactively toxic political problems. Not even locally.

Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by nerdponx on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @10:50AM (#26555725)
Indeed and well-said.
Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by leoedin on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @11:30AM (#26556175)
This is exactly why they _should_ be in a knitting club together. To deflate these tribalistic views which are mostly fuelled by isolation from each other.
Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by gedy on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @10:12AM (#26555240)
Only in your belief system. Not mine and others.
Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by flir on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @06:44PM (#26561294)
To be honest, you sound like a flat earther. Reality isn't a belief system.

Would your hypothetical knitting club allow all patterns? That's a political position. If not, would it allow a pattern with the word "VEGAN" baked into it? Yes or no, that's a political position too.

There's no flow through that paragraph that doesn't end in making a political choice. You can't avoid politics, you can only pretend to.

Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by nerdponx on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @10:16AM (#26555286)
Consider that this might be a privileged perspective.

Not everyone has the luxury of being able to carry out their lives regardless of what happens in politics.

Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by will4274 on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @10:37AM (#26555557)
In my experience, the people saying "the ability to not pay attention to politics is privilege" are typically privileged rich white women, not oppressed minorities - those people don't like talking about politics in knitting club. Just a sample size of one.
Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by nerdponx on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @10:47AM (#26555690)
And in my experience, it's trans people, DACA recipients, people with dark skin, and people who identify as queer.
Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by will4274 on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @11:06AM (#26555912)
Let's make my sample size 2, then. How privileged are you?
Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by nerdponx on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @11:42AM (#26556339)
Very. I can choose to ignore politics for the rest of my days and I probably won't notice any difference in my day-to-day life.
Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by none_to_remain on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @10:48AM (#26555695)
Political involvement is dominated by the privileged
Re:How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community by gedy on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @10:42AM (#26555619)
Likewise, not everyone has the privilege of dragging politics into every facet of their lives. Many people like me were bullied by groups when they were younger. And these supposed "anti-hate" mobs look an awful lot like those bullies.