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Re:Nominet announces that four directors have been removed by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday March 22, 2021 @08:25PM (#26549369)
I wasn't previously familiar with the background on this, but it got me thinking how incredibly common it is for these types of large, public organizations to eventually become overcome by corruption. There is so much essentially free money flying around that leadership eventually tries to convince themselves that they deserve a bigger slice of some of those millions (or billions). Other prominent examples:

1. ICANN and the whole Public Interest Registry in the US.

2. The well-documented corruption in the International Olympic Committee and many national olympic committees.

3. FIFA, almost too much corruption to name.

I wonder if something could be changed about the mindset when these organizations are set up that could reduce this corruption. That is, instead of pretending from they outset that they exist for the public benefit, accept the reality that with the amount of money that they handle that they have all the incentives to become corrupt and have something like a separate auditor/oversight board with different incentives from the get go.

Re:Nominet announces that four directors have been removed by headmelted on Monday March 22, 2021 @08:43PM (#26549500)
I dunno, that oversight board sounds like they must work really hard to provide the kind of high standards of oversight we’ve come to expect. They should probably provide a supplementary package of measures to allow for rolling extensions of compliance deadlines for an initially low fee to help fund future oversight and yachts.
Re:Nominet announces that four directors have been removed by leoc on Monday March 22, 2021 @10:26PM (#26550295)
Also, a lot of those famously corrupt big bodies like the IOC and FIFA are international organsations. It's not easy to get a majority of the national member organisations, or their governments, to support strong action against corruption.
Re:Nominet announces that four directors have been removed by lmm on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:33PM (#26549914)
NGOs, quangos and charities are all corrupt by default. They have no reason not to be corrupt.

IMO these things should either a) be actual businesses, accountable to the market, or b) be actual government agencies, accountable through political mechanisms. When we try to blur the lines we all too often end up with the worst of both worlds. Unfortunately the general public hears "non-profit" and assumes that means an organisation that's more likely to respect their interests, when in fact the reverse is true.

Re:Nominet announces that four directors have been removed by mathw on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @05:32AM (#26552850)
I'm amused that you consider political organisations or businesses any less likely to be corrupt.
Re:Nominet announces that four directors have been removed by lmm on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @11:51PM (#26563411)
Corruption is like gravity, everything rolls downhill unless there's something holding it up.

In a large business it can stay hidden for a long while (especially if it's near to something profitable), but sooner or later someone will find it worth their while to follow the money - at least, there's an incentive for that to happen. For government things are even less reliable, but at least there's an opposition who has an incentive to find problems (also media etc.).

Re:Nominet announces that four directors have been removed by dfabulich on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:59PM (#26550115)
It's important to distinguish between "excessive executive pay" and "corruption" (bribery).

Excessive executive pay is common in private firms, of course, but in that case, the shareholders have some incentive to ask the CEO to take a pay cut and hand the money back to shareholders. As a result, we don't regard it as "corruption" when the CEO convinces the board of directors to raise executive pay. The shareholders may be acting wisely or foolishly, but it's "their money" to waste.

But in public organizations like these, with significant revenues (FIFA and IOC make most of their money from selling broadcasting rights, etc.; Nominet makes their money from domain registration fees), nobody's incentivized to keep executive pay low, but we all find it morally disgusting when they keep a lot of money that "should" have been used to promote the public good.

See also Mozilla's executive leadership. Mozilla makes their money from Google. Mozilla is "supposed" to use that money to continue its mission, ("We're building a better internet, ensurig the internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all") but when Mitchell Baker takes home $2.4m in salary, there's nobody with skin in the game to say "no, that money should go back to Mozilla so we can use it to build a better internet."

Your suggestion to set up an auditor/oversight board is what causes the bribery. IOC has an ethics committee, but their skin isn't in the game either, so it's easy to offer them bribes to look the other way, allowing executives and the ethics committee to take their cut.

Re:Nominet announces that four directors have been removed by boomboomsubban on Monday March 22, 2021 @10:43PM (#26550416)
>Mozilla makes their money from Google. Mozilla is "supposed" to use that money to continue its mission, ("We're building a better internet, ensurig the internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all") but when Mitchell Baker takes home $2.4m in salary, there's nobody with skin in the game to say "no, that money should go back to Mozilla so we can use it to build a better internet."

That $2.4 million dollar salary is from 2018, a year when Mozilla made most of it's money from Yahoo. This is relevant as that Yahoo deal saw Mozilla making between 100-250 million dollars more a year than their deals with Google. That is what resulted in the board increasing their pay, and after the following Google deal was far lower many of their executives were forced out.

Re:Nominet announces that four directors have been removed by dfabulich on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @12:39AM (#26551188)
I'm not saying that Baker was or wasn't overpaid, but people certainly did complain about it. "How can you ask me to donate money when Baker's making six figures?" It came up constantly during Mozilla's layoffs last year.

For better or worse, it just "looks bad" when a non-profit executive makes a seven figure salary. And when people ask "could we set up an ombuds/ethics committee/advisory board to prevent Mozilla from doing this?" The answer is the same: no, that wouldn't really work.

Re:Nominet announces that four directors have been removed by boomboomsubban on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @02:03AM (#26551597)
>"How can you ask me to donate money when Baker's making six figures?" It came up constantly during Mozilla's layoffs last year.

The donations are for the foundation, the corporation makes a lot of money off their search engine deal. People often bring these things up as they sound bad, so if you're going to to repeat it add the necessary context and avoid the simple misunderstandings.

>could we set up an ombuds/ethics committee/advisory board to prevent Mozilla from doing this

They have a board that picks the corporation's CEO and sets their salary. I doubt you want the monetary sources to control this board, as that would give Google almost total control.