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Re:EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca Covid vaccines fr... by tpmx on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:28AM (#26540472)
From the summary at the end of the thread:

"What mistakes did EU make? To me it seems obvious.

EU took decisions based on an assumption of a free market and good faith from its partners. They didn’t think forcing an EU partner on BioNTech was essential, or EU plants should be for Europeans 1st.

That now appears naive.

EU assumed good behavior. US & UK manoeuvred to benefit themselves."

Re:EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca Covid vaccines fr... by martinald on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:32AM (#26540529)
Is that screwing someone or just naivety/incompetence from the EU? Why on earth did they think Trump would play fair?
Re:EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca Covid vaccines fr... by dgellow on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:38AM (#26540597)
It might be both. The UK and the US clearly screwed us. Still I find that the EU was really naive here, hopefully Von der Leyen will learn from this.
Re:EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca Covid vaccines fr... by dingaling on Monday March 22, 2021 @11:14AM (#26541997)
Countries do not have friends, only interests.

The first duty of a nation is to its people.

The moment that politicians forget that is the moment they find themselves in predicaments like this.

Re:EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca Covid vaccines fr... by tpmx on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:37AM (#26540577)
I'm guessing they thought Biden would play fair.
Re:EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca Covid vaccines fr... by martinald on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:47AM (#26540716)
But there was no guarantee that Biden would win the election then.
Re:EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca Covid vaccines fr... by breakfastduck on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:33AM (#26540539)
It's their naïvety / arrogance
Re:EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca Covid vaccines fr... by Ygg2 on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:38AM (#26540589)
> free market and good faith

That's incompatible.

I could see them making a good faith assumption. Free market assumption is basically, everyone is out to earn most money they can.

Re:EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca Covid vaccines fr... by mytailorisrich on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:43AM (#26540668)
The EU is not naive.

The list of bad decisions goes on and on. Face masks, open borders, vaccine development, suspension of AZ vaccine, etc. This is bad management and probably dangerous political games.

Now, the UK did not do much better but at least they did manage to develop a vaccine (which is sold at cost) and to understand that vaccination had to happen early and as fast as possible and they went all in (800k+ injections just yesterday).

Re:EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca Covid vaccines fr... by dgellow on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:53AM (#26540781)
The EU itself doesn't manage the reaction to the pandemic, it's up to each country. And as you can see European countries reacted differently and have vastly different results.
Re:EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca Covid vaccines fr... by mytailorisrich on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:56AM (#26540811)
The EU has been put in charge of vaccine procurement and there is a lot of coordination between countries.

When I say "the EU" it means as much the EU as an institution as it means most member states individually.

Re:EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca Covid vaccines fr... by dgellow on Monday March 22, 2021 @10:11AM (#26541016)
The distinction matters depending on the point being discussed, otherwise the comparison with the UK (or the US) doesn't make that much sense.