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Re:The Western Digital WD Black SN850 Review: A Fast PCIe 4.... by maccard on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:01AM (#26530949)
> Non-ECC compute is a no go from start.

Many modern amd offerings support ecc memory, but I can't comment on intel.

> Consumer grade HDDs are slow.

Meanwhile cloud provider hdd storage is slower than usb2. I have a 32 core machine deployed in azure right now, and the hdd that was deployed with it has a max read speed of 10MB/s. Getting a medium performing SSD seems to cost in the realm of $250/month just for the storage, before computer costs.

For many uses, users don't care about true reliability. I don't care if my CI agent has data loss, I'd _much_ much rather it ran on consumer grade hardware at speed and failed 2-3% of the time than what I've got now (as long as I have the choice. I want my build servers to run on fast unreliable hardware, for example)

Agreed re: pcie though!

Re:The Western Digital WD Black SN850 Review: A Fast PCIe 4.... by bayindirh on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:18AM (#26531090)
> Meanwhile cloud provider hdd storage is slower than usb2. I have a 32 core machine deployed in azure right now, and the hdd that was deployed with it has a max read speed of 10MB/s. Getting a medium performing SSD seems to cost in the realm of $250/month just for the storage, before computer costs.

It's said before, but I want to expand a little bit. You're getting 10MB/sec because your volume is running as a virtual disk on a SAN system which runs on 100s on disks which can read 15+ GB/sec, but serving to 1000 servers at the same time.

If you had local storage, you'd have the same speed because your storage backbone would have the same throughput/consumer ratio.

You want faster drives or higher throughput/consumer ratio? You'd need faster RAID cards with faster drives and more PCIe lanes.

Guess what? This is enterprise hardware again :)

> For many uses, users don't care about true reliability.

Reliability does not always concern with noisy problems (data loss, crash, file loss, etc.). The biggest problem is silent corruption. A wrongly compiled, somewhat buggy binary. A slightly wrongly trained model. A wrong outcome from a computation or simulation.

Lost files are not a problem. Wrong outcomes looking right is.

Re:The Western Digital WD Black SN850 Review: A Fast PCIe 4.... by gruez on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:04AM (#26530974)
>Meanwhile cloud provider hdd storage is slower than usb2. I have a 32 core machine deployed in azure right now, and the hdd that was deployed with it has a max read speed of 10MB/s

That's because they're not bare hard drives directly connected to the server, they're a virtual hard drive over SAN.

Re:The Western Digital WD Black SN850 Review: A Fast PCIe 4.... by maccard on Monday March 22, 2021 @08:50AM (#26540083)
Aha. Thank you. I'm not a sysadmin, and I couldn't figure out why I was provisioning machines and drives that had double digit integer multiples of the performance that is being advertise, paying heavily for it, only to be capped at such a small limit. Unfortunately my cloud provider doesn't seem to mention this fact _anywhere_ in their documentation.