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Re:Was German unification inevitable? by cpleppert on Saturday March 20, 2021 @02:47PM (#26525119)
The $2T cited in the book does not refer to the direct costs paid to Russia but to the total amount spent on reunification which came out to something like $100 billion per year for twenty years.

The opposition of the rest of Europe and Russia has to be put in context. Russia would not have been able to support the East German economy nor would it have been able to afford to maintain a pointless troop presence that would no longer have local support. The rest of europe might have been opposed because of historical reasons having to do with security but not allowing unification would have created a massive roadblock for the european economy. Short of reunification, there was not an acceptable legal regime to end Germany's limited sovereignty(which the rest of europe supported).

Given that Germany strongly supported reunification and the US was in support for obvious geopolitical reasons there was no way for any other power to stop the process. Russia could either be paid to leave or get nothing and spend money it doesn't have to maintain the troop presence to boot. Poor relations with Germany would have had a catastrophic impact on the Russian economy. The UK was never really serious about stopping reunification and barely tried to bluff. Similar reasons apply to France which could not oppose reunification and support European integration.

For all these reasons I find the the focus on contingency to be rather overdrawn. It was not inevitable in the sense that it had to happen(you can come up scenarios where the soviet union continues into the 21st century) but given the collapse of the Warsaw Pact it's hard to understand how unification could have been ultimately prevented.

You can see a similar dynamic taking place in South Korea where unification is broadly supported by the younger population in the face of titanic security and economic concerns. German unification has been supported for hundreds of years for comparable reasons.

Re:Was German unification inevitable? by murderfs on Saturday March 20, 2021 @07:39PM (#26526915)
> You can see a similar dynamic taking place in South Korea where unification is broadly supported by the younger population in the face of titanic security and economic concerns. German unification has been supported for hundreds of years for comparable reasons.

The younger population of South Korea is generally opposed to reunification: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pyeongchang-olympics-korea-unif...

Re:Was German unification inevitable? by skissane on Saturday March 20, 2021 @08:15PM (#26527086)
> Short of reunification, there was not an acceptable legal regime to end Germany's limited sovereignty(which the rest of europe supported).

Ending Germany's limited sovereignty did not require reunification. It required (a) the Four Powers renouncing their residual authority over Germany, as they did in 1990's 4+2 Treaty (b) an agreement about what to do with West Berlin. The obvious options for removing occupying power control of West Berlin without reunification would have been (i) West Berlin becomes an exclave of West Germany; (ii) West Berlin is integrated into East Germany; (iii) West Berlin becomes independent as a third German state.

Re:Was German unification inevitable? by quietbritishjim on Saturday March 20, 2021 @06:33PM (#26526545)
> UK was never really serious about stopping reunification

Why would the UK have even pretended to want to stop it? Weren't their foreign policies, at least towards communism, heavily aligned with the US?

Re:Was German unification inevitable? by HeckFeck on Saturday March 20, 2021 @06:39PM (#26526593)
Reunification meant that Germany's power in the EU increased. Becoming a bigger country with a larger population got more seats and pushed the bloc more in its direction. Thus reducing Britain's influence there.
Re:Was German unification inevitable? by toyg on Saturday March 20, 2021 @10:13PM (#26527615)
It has to be said that the matter was somewhat settled in European circles by an agreement between Francois Mitterrand and Helmut Kohl: Germany would be reunited, but in exchange it would be "bridled" by the common European currency that was being designed. Most other countries were in support of this arrangement, since they stood to gain from effectively sharing the power of the almighty Deutschmark (which they did, and are, despite some other issues). Britain had no realistic chance to oppose anything.
Re:Was German unification inevitable? by Ericson2314 on Friday March 26, 2021 @07:04PM (#26598048)
And ironically had Britain joined a currency pulled weaker but the eurozone's expansion, they might have been able to stay an industrial power like Germany!
Re:Was German unification inevitable? by iggldiggl on Saturday March 20, 2021 @07:30PM (#26526872)
And ‘Yes Minister’s take’ on the UK’s foreign policy: https://youtu.be/ZVYqB0uTKlE?t=106
Re:Was German unification inevitable? by cuillevel3 on Saturday March 20, 2021 @08:21PM (#26527103)
East Germany only had about 15 million people. West Germany 65 million. So yes, it was an increase, but not like Germany doubled in size.

Also noteworthy, the Soviet Union dissolved shortly after, at the end of 1991.

Re:Was German unification inevitable? by runarberg on Saturday March 20, 2021 @09:25PM (#26527389)
Was German reunification setting a president for Irish reunification never a concern for the UK government, like how e.g. today Scottish independence is today a concern for the Spanish government setting a president for an independent Catalonia?
Re:Was German unification inevitable? by sfRattan on Saturday March 20, 2021 @11:17PM (#26527858)
Perhaps, but I don't think it was much of a realistic concern for any who held it in the UK government.

Whereas Germans, East and West alike, had largely thought of themselves as Germans in varying senses since Bismark (and both the DDR and BRD claimed to be legitimate successors to the same historical state), the peoples who lived (and live) in Northern Ireland didn't all think of themselves in the same way. Some thought of themselves as British, some as Irish, and many as some mix of both. A big reason why historians mark the Good Friday Agreement as the end of The Troubles is that it recognized the right of each person in Northern Ireland to identify with the nationality they chose (self-determination), in a way that both the British and Irish governments cooperated to recognize in administrative affairs where nationality mattered.

There wasn't a separate ethnoreligious East German identity. There were (and are) conflicting identities in Northern Ireland with ethnic, religious, national, and historical dimensions. The two situations on-the-ground were extremely different.