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Re:Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser ... by ryandrake on Saturday March 20, 2021 @02:51AM (#26521314)
I wish developers could get it through their skulls. I don’t want your notifications. Your app is not important enough that I’m willing to be interrupted by you. The lack of notifications is a desired feature. Please stop using notifications. It is almost always a pathetic attempt to try to “drive engagement” to your app. If I want to run your app I will run it. You don’t have to nudge me into it. The world would be a better place if all platforms got rid of them. Please stop adding to the problem.
Re:Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser ... by luckylion on Saturday March 20, 2021 @04:06AM (#26521565)
"I don't want notifications" is just a setting in a modern browser. And voila, it's as if notifications did not exist as a feature. I don't understand why you need the feature to not exist; do you feel tempted to leave them enabled if they can be enabled?

I don't like notifications. I never get any notifications requests, unless I'm in a private window trying because some site wouldn't work with adblockers etc. Life can be so simple.

Re:Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser ... by nexuist on Saturday March 20, 2021 @04:16AM (#26521600)
> I don’t want your notifications. Your app is not important enough that I’m willing to be interrupted by you. The lack of notifications is a desired feature. Please stop using notifications.

I don't want your phone calls. Your conversation is not important enough that I'm willing to be interrupted by you. The lack of phone calls is a desired feature. Please stop using phone calls. If I want to talk to you I will write you a letter. You don't have to nudge me into it.

Re:Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser ... by wruza on Saturday March 20, 2021 @05:26AM (#26521821)
As someone who gets marketing calls every fine day, I agree with your every word. And with gp too.

The problem with not implementing notifications is that when they are useful (instant dispatch software), they are not implemented. But honestly I’d just spin up a telegram or email bot, if clients were not brainwashed with tekhnology. Messages and email are notifications. It is also a matter of minutes, opposed to creating a stupid service worker client-server-like runtime and trying to get things right without any test mode (long story short, implementing and debugging webpush requires publishing every change to a certified https host). There is even an entire company that sells you a properly configured webpush as a service. That’s just stupid.

Re:Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser ... by nexuist on Saturday March 20, 2021 @06:08PM (#26526407)
Odd argument. SMS is a hellscape to DIY (especially financially), email even more so with DKIM. If by SMS/email you mean "Twilio" or "Mailchimp," well, that's no different than using a third party push service.
Re:Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser ... by hakfoo on Sunday March 21, 2021 @05:42PM (#26534365)
The mistake was the presentation UI for notifications. Instead of making it an active question for users to dismiss, it should been presented as a subtle toggle somewhere in the UI chrome-- sort of like the star icon to add to favourites.

This would have made it possible to offer notifications without being in-your-face about it, which would have made them more amenable for sites that were concerned about brand image and user feedback. The paradigm might not have become unavoidably tainted, and we'd just name-and-shame the bad actors.

It also makes it clear that the notification consent shouldn't be a one-way street-- you should be able to discontinue notifications through the same UI and in an obvious manner, rather than treating it as a consent you can easily offer, but not easily retract.