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Re:Senior Engineers Build Consensus (2019) by zaphirplane on Friday March 19, 2021 @11:52PM (#26520693)
That’s called an oligarchy in politics. Can’t say it’s a great operational model
Re:Senior Engineers Build Consensus (2019) by Spooky23 on Saturday March 20, 2021 @12:16AM (#26520773)
It makes sense where you have a lot of stakeholders. Would you ever debate an approach to doing something in front of a customer?

Likewise, if a meeting is where you adjudicate something, you need consensus to focus on the key issue, whatever that is. Otherwise, you’re likely to head into some rabbit hole that results in no decision.

Re:Senior Engineers Build Consensus (2019) by zaphirplane on Saturday March 20, 2021 @12:33AM (#26520823)
No, We’ve already discussed this and we think your approach is wrong
Re:Senior Engineers Build Consensus (2019) by bww on Saturday March 20, 2021 @12:49AM (#26520877)
You've probably noticed that there aren't really any successful companies that are run as democracies. There are good reasons for that.
Re:Senior Engineers Build Consensus (2019) by TimTheTinker on Saturday March 20, 2021 @06:59AM (#26522190)
There still is a semi-democratic process (barring large-scale network effects for the sake of discussion): whether a given person chooses to become (or stay) a customer. People vote for or against a company’s products/services with their money.
Re:Senior Engineers Build Consensus (2019) by whatshisface on Saturday March 20, 2021 @01:26AM (#26520981)
Co-ops?
Re:Senior Engineers Build Consensus (2019) by nunie123 on Saturday March 20, 2021 @09:22AM (#26523039)
Co-ops are usually a republic, not a democracy. People still have specific roles, and those roles have authority to make specific decisions without getting a majority vote for that decision.
Re:Senior Engineers Build Consensus (2019) by rakoo on Saturday March 20, 2021 @06:05AM (#26521944)
I don't know enough about co-ops but it seems to me they not only redefine the power structure, they also redefine what success (for themselves) is and the means to reach it. Unfortunately ou can't directly compare the two.
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Re:Senior Engineers Build Consensus (2019) by __blockcipher__ on Saturday March 20, 2021 @04:45AM (#26521694)
A word of advice, injecting such topics needlessly distracts from the actual point you’re trying to make.
Re:Senior Engineers Build Consensus (2019) by tacitusarc on Saturday March 20, 2021 @11:16AM (#26523719)
Unless the discussion is about slavery, in which case, fair enough.
Re:Senior Engineers Build Consensus (2019) by matwood on Saturday March 20, 2021 @08:29AM (#26522726)
You're assuming it's the small group of people who make the final decision without additional input. Just because a smaller group of people refine and vet an idea, doesn't mean they force it on everyone else.

The problem being solved is that most ideas are not good, so any single person with an idea looks to vet it among a trusted group of advisors/peers. If this group is too large, it's hard to deal with the noise, too small and it may kill or ok an idea when it shouldn't be.

After refinement with the smaller group, an idea now has enough substance to bring to the larger group and hopefully not waste their time.

A simple example this process helps avoid would be pulling together the full group, presenting an idea, and then legal killing it with their first comment. Everyones time was just wasted since the idea as presented had legal issues and needed more refinement.