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Re:The Rise, Fall and Revival of AMD (2020) by ncmncm on Friday March 19, 2021 @10:44AM (#26513895)
It is hard to understand today, but back then every manufacturer of a chip design needed a "second source", a fully independent competitor who could supply a compatible chip. Otherwise it would be far too risky to design their chip into your product. What if they folded? AMD, by cloning the 8080 and other chips, gave Intel what it had to have to be a serious supplier for serious products.

The 6502 succeeded by being 1/10 the price, and was designed into products of companies that embraced extreme risk.

Re:The Rise, Fall and Revival of AMD (2020) by kevin_thibedeau on Friday March 19, 2021 @11:03AM (#26514126)
Second sourcing was a requirement imposed by the DoD.
Re:The Rise, Fall and Revival of AMD (2020) by mjevans on Friday March 19, 2021 @02:52PM (#26517028)
A simple, yet very powerful, weapon for ensuring a healthy economy. Having at minimum two potential sources for any component in the economy, with anything that can't afford that classified as a Utility and regulated as such.

From the single or none fulfillment of broadband options in the US even in dense suburban areas, let alone rural areas, it is clear that there are places in dire need of similar government market regulation.

Re:The Rise, Fall and Revival of AMD (2020) by ncmncm on Friday March 19, 2021 @04:42PM (#26517980)
The DoD requirement enabled commercial customers to specify it, too. The supply-chain nightmares experienced by makers of modern equipment, with microcontrollers only just designed in dropping out of production, generates nostalgia for the power to require a second source.

Portability of embedded-code source, standardized ISAs, and ability to turn around a new circuit board design in a week, and FPGAs all help make lack of second sources survivable.

Re:The Rise, Fall and Revival of AMD (2020) by aidenn0 on Friday March 19, 2021 @07:09PM (#26519093)
At what point were 6502 clones everywhere? Long after the Apple II and C64 selected it?
Re:The Rise, Fall and Revival of AMD (2020) by hakfoo on Saturday March 20, 2021 @02:41AM (#26521268)
Probably the most famous one would be the Ricoh CPU in the NES, supposedly as close to a 6502 as they could get without patent infringement, so it's missing a few odd instructions.

I suspect second-sourcing must have been going on fairly early in the 6502's lifecycle though. Commodore OWNED MOS by the time the 6502 was a shipping, finished product, so they're obviously going to dogfood it on the PET/CBM/VIC series.

A 1977 design like the Apple II had a bit of plausible deniability-- they may not have known that Commodore was going to be a major player in the small-computer market when they did their design, and then they were stuck with the 6502 and derivatives for backwards compatibility for the rest of the series.

But then you have machines like the 1979-release Atari 400/800. By then it was obvious you're buying from a potential hostile competitor. There must have been enough confidence in their business practices or the availability of second-sourcing that they weren't afraid of being cut out of the market.

CPU-World shows a bunch of 6502s from different manufacturers with date codes in the 1980s, but I can't comment much more about if they were clones, or license-built second sources, or what.

Aside from the NES, I can't think of any major greenfield 6502 products much after 1981, but that's likely less about second sourcing and more about a deluge of cheap Z80s and 8088s making the 6502's low price less compelling.