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Re:What’s up with these new not-open source licenses? by EarlKing on Thursday March 18, 2021 @06:28PM (#26508200)
Language is not a popularity contest. Words and phrases can mean different things in different contexts. That the OSI came along and proffered its own definition does not mean we have to forget what came before and, moreover, is still current today. The OSI is an organization that co-opted a movement for their own business purposes... much like Eric Raymond co-opted the MIT Jargon File.
Re:What’s up with these new not-open source licenses? by mindcrime on Thursday March 18, 2021 @09:00PM (#26509228)
Language is not a popularity contest. Words and phrases can mean different things in different contexts.

Except.. it kinda is. I mean yes, it is obviously true that words can (and do) have multiple meanings. But within a given context, there are "generally accepted" definitions and there are idiosyncratic / obscure / unusual definitions. And in the kind of context we're talking about here, to use "Open Source' to mean anything other than what is defined by the OSD is to intentionally choose a non-standard, idiosyncratic definition. It wouldn't be reasonable for one to do that and then expect everybody else to understand / agree with their non-standard usage.

Re:What’s up with these new not-open source licenses? by Robotbeat on Thursday March 18, 2021 @08:51PM (#26509188)
And companies releasing “open source” software which has hooks in it that put other companies in potential legal trouble (beyond their he usual GPL type stuff) are themselves co-opting the term for their own ends. It’s hiding behind “language flexibility” to use “open source” in this manner.
Re:What’s up with these new not-open source licenses? by EarlKing on Thursday March 18, 2021 @09:07PM (#26509261)
...or they're using that phrase exactly as it was intended before the OSI got their hands on it.
Re:What’s up with these new not-open source licenses? by Robotbeat on Thursday March 18, 2021 @09:22PM (#26509354)
I haven't seen evidence of that.
Re:What’s up with these new not-open source licenses? by EarlKing on Friday March 19, 2021 @01:01AM (#26510276)
There's links to plenty of it over here[1] which I posted up-chat.

[1] https://www.arp242.net/open-source.html

Re:What’s up with these new not-open source licenses? by Robotbeat on Friday March 19, 2021 @02:17AM (#26510538)
Your link doesn’t support your claim. Most of those seem closer to the OSI definition (BSD is the first one, GPL, Linux, etc) and the ones that might contradict it are rarer.

The way most people have been using “open source” is a lot closer to OSI than these companies are claiming. It’s misleading to use a different definition nowadays. And I think that’s the actual intent. If it wasn’t, then they’d be perfectly fine with using another unambiguous term like “source available.” If there was a strong desire to be clear and not misleading, they’d use such a term.