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Re:Is Consciousness Everywhere? by namero999 on Thursday March 18, 2021 @02:46PM (#26506072)
But then the onus is on those who sense it to point out said bullshit.
Re:Is Consciousness Everywhere? by geophile on Thursday March 18, 2021 @02:58PM (#26506228)
See above. TFA claims that IIT is testable, but does not say anthing at all about a test that has been published, a test that has been done, a test that some research group is doing, a test that is being considered, a test that could be done given some scientific or technological development. Nothing.
Re:Is Consciousness Everywhere? by hntrader on Thursday March 18, 2021 @02:52PM (#26506148)
Burden of proof generally isn't on the skeptic.
Re:Is Consciousness Everywhere? by namero999 on Thursday March 18, 2021 @03:05PM (#26506313)
I think there is a difference between a proof and the refutation of an argument. I expect proofs from scientific theories, and if a theory of consciousness would posit itself as scientific, I would be in perfect agreement with you that proofs or testable predictions should be provided. But I think here we are well into philosophy grounds, where neither proofs nor predictions are required. If that is the case, a philosophical claim needs to be actively rejected. I will admit that I still have to make my mind whether IIT is purely philosophy, purely scientific, or neither. Currently I don't think it's a theory of consciousness, rather just a model to "quantify" consciousness, without explaining its origin.
Re:Is Consciousness Everywhere? by geophile on Thursday March 18, 2021 @03:16PM (#26506415)
The author of TFA disagrees with you: "Most importantly, though, IIT is a scientific theory, unlike panpsychism."
Re:Is Consciousness Everywhere? by hawkice on Thursday March 18, 2021 @02:50PM (#26506129)
I mean, I just eat lunch while I read things, not sure why you think I've signed up to put a professional level effort into rolling my eyes at these guys.