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Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by ficklepickle on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:48AM (#26488737)
I think "integration" is a sham. Integration implies a give and take, a compromise. It seems actually assimilation or submission is what many Euro countries want.

As a Canadian (Vancouver), I can tell you true integration happens over generations of people working together and respecting each other. In those conditions, it is unavoidable.

If either group lacks respect, the outcome is always conflict.

You put their kids into school together young and they won't know not to be friends until you tell them. That was my experience, anyway.

Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by bad_good_guy on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:24AM (#26489008)
And yet you've ignored the person you're responding to in their claim that turkish immigrants don't send their children to the same schools.

I'm all for give and take but I wouldn't want the "give" to result in backwards steps for woman's rights being imported from the countries of origin

Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by nix23 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:37AM (#26489104)
>It seems actually assimilation or submission is what many Euro countries want.

No we think that forced marriage has no place in Europe, or the oppression of woman's. And yes, that's our culture..so is the freedom to choose your religion and to have free speech. If someone from another culture comes we are happy to integrate it into ours, but NOT when it clashes with our Laws.

>You put their kids into school together young and they won't know not to be friends until you tell them.

And what when they go into different schools (Jewish or Muslim etc), live in different parts of the City (look at Paris or Berlin), and never met someone outside of their bubble until 20 or later?

BTW:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia_in_Canada

Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by fho on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:00AM (#26489283)
> but NOT when it clashes with our Laws

I said it in another post ... it's not about being forced into something, it's about freedom of choice. And that is something universal, it's just codified in our laws.

It's completely fine if a women decides to become married and have children early ... it's probably not a good choice ... but morally there is no way to reject that.

The problem arises when people never learn that they have a choice ... I have (female) friends from rural Germany that think it's perfectly reasonable to go study and once finished move in with their husband and be the perfect stay-at-home mom.

edit: heck ... I even have friends from larger cities who would just prefer to be stay-at-home moms because that gives an excuse to sloth on the couch for half of the day :-)

Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by nix23 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:19AM (#26489470)
Totally with you.

>The problem arises when people never learn that they have a choice

Exactly, that's the problem with the bubbles like (Ghettos/Banlieues), and "special" schools.