The Modern Java Platform – 2021 Edition

Re:The Modern Java Platform – 2021 Edition by lmm on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @02:54AM (#26487430)

I'm no fan of regular Spring, but it offers some legitimate value and has relatively comprehensible behaviour. It doesn't break grep: when a class is instantiated by Spring you can find a reference to that class, and most IDEs can also follow those references. Adding a new dependency doesn't change its behaviour.

Spring Boot is real a step change in comprehensibility, in the wrong direction. It's on a similar level to adding COME FROM to the language. You're not wrong to complain about Spring/Guice in general, but implying that they're remotely comparable to Spring Boot is thoroughly misleading. It's not the same thing at all.

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Re:The Modern Java Platform – 2021 Edition by geodel on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @09:40AM (#26491051)

Good to see another big fan of Spring Boot as me.

> Spring Boot is real a step change in comprehensibility, in the wrong direction.

With VMWare's Tanzu crap for containers and Spring native initiatives, the idea is complete lock-in in VMWare ecosystem from developer desktop to running service. The goal seems that no one should have any visibility on their own systems except VMWare consultants.

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Re:The Modern Java Platform – 2021 Edition by jacques_chester on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:16AM (#26492384)

I work for VMware, so I am not disinterested, and of course we want it to be easy to use stuff we sponsor or contribute to.

But what exactly about stock Kubernetes and the fully-OSS-for-nearly-two-decades Spring Project strike you as "lockin"?

This is a bit like accusing Red Hat of lockin for shipping a Linux kernel.

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