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Re:Google finally revealed how much personal data they colle... by danShumway on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @01:42PM (#26480200)
This is kind of deceptive. Approving location data to be saved or used during a web search is not the same thing as approving location data to be used for advertising and product personalization. Same with contact information, same with browser history, same with search history and unique IDs.

Also, none of that data is harmless.

> I think DDG is exaggerating here

Google shouldn't be basing advertising off of individualized browser histories in the first place, I don't think it's an exaggeration to call that a massive privacy issue. It's a single category, but one that encompasses basically everything you do online.

And while you can technically turn this off in Google settings, doing so will break a large number of Google products and features in other apps because Google ties access to browser histories and app data into other products in a way that is impossible to disentangle from normal functionality.

Back when I used to use Google Maps, turning off location-based advertising disabled my ability to save locations. Like, I couldn't mark a place on the map as my home on my local device unless I gave Google permission to advertise to me based on my location. Every time I wanted to navigate there, I needed to type in the full address. Even weirder, turning off web history took away my ability to use voice commands with my contact list on Android phones. I couldn't tell my phone "call mom", because that feature required access to my search history.

So this phrase "we're not that bad" creates this impression that Google isn't perfect but is still basically respecting privacy choices everywhere, and that any violations are just accidental -- when in reality trying to opt out of these systems is met with outright hostility from Google products, and giving an inch in any area is often interpreted by Google as permission to use that data in any way they see fit.

The system is a lot deeper and more deliberate than the parent comment suggests.

Re:Google finally revealed how much personal data they colle... by specialist on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @02:43PM (#26481038)
> location data to be saved or used during a web search

Does location data even help with relevance?

During road trips in 2018, location relevant results were turrible. Too many times I'd have to manually add my current location. eg "dog parks albuquerque nm" Sorry, no, I don't care about Dog Park Pub and Office Supplies in Duluth MN. Absolutely enraging.

Re:Google finally revealed how much personal data they colle... by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @02:53PM (#26481220)
It seems to work with chains, at least.

e.g. a search for "home depot" turning up the close ones with location turned on.

Re:Google finally revealed how much personal data they colle... by specialist on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @04:31PM (#26482490)
Ya. My guess is that proper nouns are weighted much heavier than distance when displaying results. I also guess that indexing of stuff gets worse in smaller markets.

I vividly recall wanting to pick up some flowers while driving north of Phoenix. Google was useless. No local businesses. Just national chains and stuff from other time zones. Infuriating.

Re:Google finally revealed how much personal data they colle... by nojito on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @02:46PM (#26481106)
Nope. There was a study released that location targeting in ads only works 40% of the time
Re:Google finally revealed how much personal data they colle... by jefftk on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @04:47PM (#26482728)
link?
Re:Google finally revealed how much personal data they colle... by shadowgovt on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @02:00PM (#26480471)
It turns out, solving the problem of being an assistant device approaches the "AI complete" boundary, and the set of data interconnections needed approaches "arbitrary." Hence, the interpretation that the data should be usable as Google sees fit.
Re:Google finally revealed how much personal data they colle... by danShumway on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @02:08PM (#26480578)
> It turns out, solving the problem of being an assistant device approaches the "AI complete" boundary, and the set of data interconnections needed approaches "arbitrary."

Wait, why do you say that? There's nothing inherent to the way that assistants work that mean that they need full access to everything in my life.

Human beings are "AI complete", but when I go to the library and ask them to help me find a book, they don't demand that I show them my phone contacts first. Data access and intelligence are separate concepts.

And Google's voice assistant could figure out what phone number I mean when I say "call mom" without doing anything involving AI at all, because I actually explicitly put that information into my address book in machine-readable, labeled fields. The assistant doesn't need to have an advanced AI to solve that problem, and it certainly doesn't need to look at my search history.

Re:Google finally revealed how much personal data they colle... by Leban on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @04:24PM (#26482364)
You left out the /s