Re:Tesla says “Full Self-Driving” software doesn't make cars...
by smnrchrds on Saturday March 13, 2021 @09:25PM
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Charging people 10k for a feature that will not be released during the lifetime of their car seems pretty exploitative to me.
Re:Tesla says “Full Self-Driving” software doesn't make cars...
by moistbar on Monday March 15, 2021 @10:01PM
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You're not getting nothing for that 10k. I don't know where this idea's come from that nothing at all has been released.
Re:Tesla says “Full Self-Driving” software doesn't make cars...
by imgabe on Saturday March 13, 2021 @09:31PM
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That is not what exploitative means. You’re free to charge any amount for anything. Others are free to buy it or not. It’s not like you’re charging diabetics 10k for insulin. Nobody is forced to buy it.
Re:Tesla says “Full Self-Driving” software doesn't make cars...
by smnrchrds on Saturday March 13, 2021 @09:39PM
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If lying to take someone's money is not exploitation, I don't know what is.
Re:Tesla says “Full Self-Driving” software doesn't make cars...
by imgabe on Saturday March 13, 2021 @10:54PM
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Maybe some examples will help.
Things that are exploitation:
Slavery
Prison Labor
Victorian workhouses
Retail managers forcing minimum-wage employees to clock out before cleaning the store, knowing they won't complain because they can't afford to lose their job.
Things that are not exploitation:
Rich people paying to enable future software updates on their luxury car.
Re:Tesla says “Full Self-Driving” software doesn't make cars...
by smnrchrds on Saturday March 13, 2021 @11:28PM
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The dictionary lists three meanings for exploitation. Your examples are all for meaning 1—the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work. But there is also another one—the fact of making use of a situation to gain unfair advantage for oneself. Making use of people's optimism and warped perceptions about the imminentness of autonomous vehicles (warped perceptions which were formed in a large part by none other than Tesla itself) to part people from their money would fall under this definition.
And just to humour your point, let's say it's not exploitation. So what? It still would be deception, shameless lying, snake oil salesmanship, etc. etc. It's not like corporate actions are binary: exploitation and totally OK. Even if Tesla's actions were not exploitation, they would still be as wrong.
Re:Tesla says “Full Self-Driving” software doesn't make cars...
by grzm on Saturday March 13, 2021 @09:41PM
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The common term for deception for financial gain is fraud.
Re:Tesla says “Full Self-Driving” software doesn't make cars...
by alkonaut on Sunday March 14, 2021 @04:58AM
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If I choose to buy it under the assumption I will get it, and then I don’t, then it’s pretty clear cut. If the deal wasn’t one where I was exploited I’d like the $10k back with interest.
Re:Tesla says “Full Self-Driving” software doesn't make cars...
by A12-B on Saturday March 13, 2021 @09:23PM
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There has not been a gross over-usage of the word exploit in the past 10 years. See google trends, the word's usage is trending downward. Its peak was actually around 2005.
Re:Tesla says “Full Self-Driving” software doesn't make cars...
by imgabe on Saturday March 13, 2021 @09:24PM
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Google trends tracks what people are searching not what they are using.
Re:Tesla says “Full Self-Driving” software doesn't make cars...
by A12-B on Saturday March 13, 2021 @09:25PM
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Nope, they have data since the 1800's. Don't think they had search engines back then.
There’s been a gross overusage of the word exploit in the past 10 years or so. Just because you personally don’t find something to be a good deal doesn’t mean it’s exploitative.
Exploitation would involve taking advantage of someone in constrained circumstances to coerce them into doing something they would rather not do. This does not describe one single person who is capable of affording a Tesla.