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Re:Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack by malikNF on Saturday March 13, 2021 @03:28AM (#26445011)
>> Miners don’t dictate protocol rules. Miners do one job - hash blocks. And they get rewarded for it.

What? Not really. Miners do indeed dictate the protocol rules, its is the miners agreeing to following a certain version of the consensus algorithm that makes a blockchain do what it does. So they are partly responsible for more than just mining blocks. Like I said initially it is hard to say who the actual decision makers of the chain are because it is not defined properly by eth.

>>Miners are only one participant in the ecosystem, there are also users, merchants and developers.

Like I mentioned in my previous comment, my whole disagreement with the OP of this comment chain is, their analogy calling miners bodyguards only, my argument is that its hard to tell, because anyone can play any role in this network, on eth the incentives are set up in such a way that each actor can be multiple actors, and there isn't any clear distinction as to who gets to decide what on the network.

>>If you justify such change by “majority of miners want it” - you’re basically handing over the protocol to their hands. Nothing will prevent miners to adopt changes that eventually centralize currency control, increase rewards(inflation), etc.

I am not trying to justify it as majority miners want it, my criticism of the eth chain is they have done this sort of nonese in the past (remember the DAO hack where vitalik and co decided to serve their own interests and rolled back a blockchain? )

It clearly shows eth hasn't grown or come up with a solution as to how to govern their blockchain in a decentralized manner. At the moment, a small select group of people, rather than the majority of its stakeholders get to decide what happens to the blockchain, and that to me doesn't look like decentralization.

Whats to stop a powerful government forcing vitalik and co to implement or remove what they want in the future?

Re:Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack by darawk on Saturday March 13, 2021 @03:45AM (#26445090)
> What? Not really. Miners do indeed dictate the protocol rules, its is the miners agreeing to following a certain version of the consensus algorithm that makes a blockchain do what it does. So they are partly responsible for more than just mining blocks. Like I said initially it is hard to say who the actual decision makers of the chain are because it is not defined properly by eth.

Who dictates the rules is who controls the logic of the chain where the value resides. The miners can create their own fork, and Vitalik can create his own fork. I think we know where the value will go.

> Who dictates the rules is who controls the logic of the chain where the value resides. The miners can create their own fork, and Vitalik can create his own fork. I think we know where the value will go.

Vitalik only has this power because he appears to be choosing freely and the public agrees with him. If it appeared he was being forced to do something, or he did something that people didn't like, the value wouldn't follow him.

It is in this economic sense, and only this economic sense, that crypto is democratic. The only votes that matter are the dollars people trade to buy Ethereum.

Re:Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack by xorcist on Saturday March 13, 2021 @05:06AM (#26445481)
> its is the miners agreeing to following a certain version of the consensus algorithm that makes a blockchain do what it does

You have cause and effect mixed up.

The miners that follow the same consensus rules that the merchants and exchanges do, get paid. The others do not.

A majority of miners following incompatible consensus would look like a huge drop off in mining capacity from the end users perspective. Similar things have happened multiple times.

Re:Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack by akimball on Saturday March 13, 2021 @08:23AM (#26446368)
There aren’t “merchants” in eth, really, there are dapps. Exchanges don’t care about protocols beyond send and receive. Still, I agree with your larger point: The value goes where the dapps go, and many will go to eth2. (But some will move to more stable and sustainable platforms.)
Re:Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack by jkhdigital on Saturday March 13, 2021 @10:04AM (#26447007)
> But some will move to more stable and sustainable platforms.

This is why I refuse to hold ETH... when the financial big boys finally start moving to blockchain rails, they are going to look at ETH and think “WTF is this?” and pass it up for more principled designs like Cardano.

Re:Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack by pinoli on Saturday March 13, 2021 @10:53AM (#26447352)
merchants and exchanges do not exist in blockchain terms, miners come first since they literally make the chain run. Everything flows from here.