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Re:You can't censor away extremism or any other problem by CharlesW on Friday March 12, 2021 @12:05PM (#26437958)
> The only change is that you now have a bunch of people who are afraid to use a handful of naughty words in public because they might lose their job over it.

That's not the "only change". If were, that's still a feature, not a bug. It means that real consequences are possible, and that those possible consequences are widely understood.

One is never going to change the mind and heart of a deeply racist person, but one can help bend the overall curve of intolerance over time.

Re:You can't censor away extremism or any other problem by ryandrake on Friday March 12, 2021 @12:52PM (#26438604)
How do you know that you're actually "bending the curve" and not just driving it underground?
Re:You can't censor away extremism or any other problem by strgcmc on Saturday March 13, 2021 @09:42AM (#26446853)
Because you can measure by harm caused, not just by thoughts thought.

For example, I posit (without proof) that, because we have effectively banned hateful racist speech in most standard professional workplaces, the people who work in those environments and used to suffer harm (through being forced to work in an openly hostile environment to them, through being denied advancement or equitable compensation, through the mental stress of being the target of hate speech, etc.), that those people suffer less harm today then they used to.

- Is it perfect now? No.

- Can people still be secretly denied promotions because of racism? Absolutely.

- Does it happen less frequently in the aggregate than it used to 40-50 years ago? Almost certainly, though I base this claim on common sense for now (don't have scientific sources handy but I'm sure I can find some).