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Re:Sir Tim Berners-Lee warns of widening digital divide by Loughla on Friday March 12, 2021 @10:32AM (#26436847)
>fiber internet, a MacBook Pro, iPad, and a big screen tv

No, but I (and this is not meant to be hateful) do believe you are out of touch with the reality of this situation. It's not about having fiber, it's about having anything except dial-up or a cell phone as an option. It's not about a macbook pro or an ipad, it's about not trying to do your homework on a shared family smartphone. The television isn't even a thing, not sure what that has to do with anything.

>There are countries with better educational outcomes even amongst households with a fraction of income to their American comparables.

That is a very bold statement. Please cite.

>It's not income level that's the issue. A child raised in a loving but low-income two-parent household will be fine growing up in this society.

This is also a SUPER bold statement. Please cite.

>You can't just contrast wealth and not wealth. There are other factors that dominate.

And yet, wealth and parent income are consistently shown to be the greatest predictor of future achievement, even when controlling for other variables such as ethnicity, gender, location. My citations:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40037226?seq=1

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/schooled2lose/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J134v11n02_05

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1519867?seq=1

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00490...

And that's just from 30 seconds of searching while out of the office. If I was at the office today, I could cite any number of the books and articles on my shelves on this subject, as this is literally what I have built my career in higher education on.

Re:Sir Tim Berners-Lee warns of widening digital divide by macspoofing on Monday March 15, 2021 @08:29AM (#26465202)
>And that's just from 30 seconds of searching while out of the office.

So you google around for 10 mins, to cherry pick studies, that you didn't even bother to read, as a way to confirm your preconceived conclusion? You think that this is a valid way of argument? Uh huh. Cherry picking data to fit a preconceived conclusion is how science is done ... right?

Right now we're graduating functionally illiterate kids at incredible rates. Tell me the MECHANISM (not correlation) by which low-income equals to illiteracy in the context of our society which provides schools, school-buses, books, and teachers. By the way, every single school in America is good and is staffed by good quality teachers.

Having grown up in my city's immigrant ghetto (surrounded by Eastern European, Iranian, Filipino and Hong Kong immigrants), in a low-income (but loving) household with no English knowledge, and being an immigrant myself, I always like to see how those who grew up privileged see everyone else. I really do want to know your MECHANISM of how low-income translates to illiteracy (as an example). And on a slight tangent, in my personal experience, the most lectures on poverty and privilege I get are from people who were born in the country and grew up firmly in the upper middle class.

I can guarantee you're going to find low-income households with academically high performing children, and here we're talking about just literacy (not even high academic achievement). Quickly enough you'll find that income is not a good gauge and that other factors dominate.