Disclaimer: I don't watch this channel, can't vouch for other vids.

The youtube algorithm suggested this to me the other day, posting it here because it's pretty relevant.

When Wokes and Racists actually agree on everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg

> Because if someone has mostly bad opinions, you have to wonder if he managed to have just one good one or if this is a bad opinion too.

You are arguing for ignoring the content of an opinion, and only evaluating it only by the association of people who agree or don't agree with it?

So, tribalism as the only acceptable form of reasoning?

My assumption when I write comments on HN is that readers can make opinions for themselves. Perhaps that's a bad assumption? I don't have to agree with an article to post it on HN, why should I have to agree with everything a youtube channel produces to post one of their videos? I doubt I would be able to post almost anything as I have opinions about a variety of subjects, it's very unlikely I will align with anyone on all of them.

How about you watch the video and let me know what's objectionable about it specifically?

What's objectionable?

After 5 seconds, it does the exact thing which I expected it to after only looking at the titles of his other videos. Grossly misrepresenting positions to make them look similar enough to "both sides" the issue so he can present himself as an "enlightened centrist" but really is looking to quiet people who would call him out on his problematic opinions.

It's a lot like your "assumption". You're trying to present your position as a "gee golly jeez, I'm just asking questions" being sort of overly, even comically naive about content you wish others to consume.

You're also asking people to be able to refute the entire video or not voice their objections. To ignore the context of the channel. Blah blah blah. The entire "foot in the door" approach to radicalization.

I personally don't believe your claim that you don't watch the channel. Otherwise, why even post a disclaimer? The only reason to post a disclaimer is because you kind of know what to expect from his channel. Either because the video itself is telling (it is) or you know what the rest of the content of the video would show (not great).

So please, stop with the disingenuous positions. A good number of people here are savvy enough to see through it.

I've watched a lot of his stuff and even seen him perform stand up. He has made a career in calling out the hypocrisies of the left, usually in an absurd way. Behind the ridiculous presentations are usually fairly well thought out points.

Occasionally he takes on the far right as well. The problem being that it's just too easy and boring to do that.

Except it doesnt even resemble what the left believes

this is a good breakdown https://youtu.be/m0ZDHgD9084?t=950

Thanks for the reasoned alternative perspective. He misses the whole point of the video though, which is:

Emphasizing race as the most important determinant of an individual is regressive, not progressive.

It's possible for a reactionary agenda to fall prey to the errors of its foe, and that's exactly what's happening with anti-racism today.

The only way to move forward is to tackle racism with explicitly non-racist policies, not anti-racist ones.

Thats true, which is why most of the left has adopted intersectionality, which says an individual is the sum total of their experiences, rather than this or that identity

This guy just plays further into the tropes that the original video was mocking.

In what way?

Doubling down on the idea that both racists and wokists center everything around race and are unable to think about people as individuals outside of shallow racial generalizations.

The statement is not untrue but it is selectively used here to imply that it only applies to one party. And that is wrong.

Don't they deny being racist, sexist or whatever more often than not when called out? It sure seems so.

I'm not even sure if you're talking about the racist left or the racist right and that is mildly amusing.

I don't know a lot (any?) racist right folks, but I know a shitload of racist left and they ALL publicly, verbally, in writing, rail against racism in one breath, and then shit on white people in the next.

I acknowledge that this is anecdotal, but still...

I think literally actively searching for something mostly hidden is very different from it being public. A few fringe social media posts are what you are linking to with few likes and shares, versus large media or tech companies with a reach in not only millions but hundreds of millions of views openly publishing articles blaming whites for everything under the sun.

Racism is literally defined as discrimination against any singular group based on race or ethnic group. Discrimination, irrespective of its origin on the left or right wing of the spectrum, should be treated identically. Implicit and explicit racial discrimination is omnipresent on both sides of the spectrum. This is evidenced by literally pulling up any of the popular social justice warrior channels on YouTube; you then immediately come in contact with it. It is farcical for anyone to push through a narrative that doesn't acknowledge this fact.

"White male" has become a demeaning putdown by many enthusiastic liberals, which is evidence enough.

Enough.

My race and ethnicity has nothing to do with whether or not I am actively oppressing others. Whether these are correlated right now is irrelevant to how we should be behaving in a modern day, postmodern civil society.

Not sure the rest of your post makes any sense. I don't consider myself a racist or a sexist and I find it appalling that I am unable to comment on ongoing social issues without being called a "white male" or being told that my opinions are invalid because my lack of melanin seems to imply I am part of an elite group of oppressors. This is insulting and lacks any intellectual merit.

Do you realize that whole Asia and majority of Africa is in northern hemisphere?

Yes. So? How much anti white (male) racism is happening in these regions?

You tell me, you suggested first it might be different in Asia(northern hemisphere) or Africa(majority in northern hemisphere) compared to northern hemisphere. I don't claim to be geography or racism expert like someone, but I know that for instance anti anything non-Japanese racism isn't uncommon in Japan (I wanted to link the well known "whitu piggu go home" video, but sadly youtube deleted it because of hatespeech).

Really? Where?

Usually I've seen forms like this

"I strongly believe in (basic description of X)"

"You know that's X, right?!"

"I'm not X"

"Alright, would you say you believe in (wikipedias first paragraph on X)?"

"Oh yes! You really understand!"

"You know I just lifted that from wikipedia article on X"

"Let me hear it again. Ok, that's not exactly right." Etc...

Try it yourself next time, it's pretty remarkable. They're not acting in bad faith or trying to deceive.

It's like an addict who believes they smoke cigarettes not because they have an addiction but because they enjoy the taste.

Most people want to believe they've made the right decisions (https://grist.org/article/80-percent-of-humans-are-delusiona...). They think racism is wrong so therefore their beliefs can't be racist.

Exactly. Racists will generally justify themselves as "not racist" by giving claiming something to the tune of "I'm not prejudiced, I just agree with the numbers!", while appealing to some out-of-context statistic to try and act like those disagreeing with them are "denying science" by acknowledging that there's more nuance to the issue.

> The racists on the right know they're racists. They admit it.

Not necessarily.

Even Richard Spencer, proud Hitler-saluting Neo-Nazi, essentially the founder of the "alt-right", denies being racist.

People know that racism is bad, but a lot of racists will deny being racist while very explicitly saying they don't want to live next to a black person or will call the police just because they saw a black man walking through the neighborhood.

That's not really true. He's definitely claimed to be some flavor of racist on that documentary on Netflix.

I don't remember where I saw it, and I'm struggling to find it now, but there was some interview where he explicitly claims to not be racist and claims to not hate black people, and even claims to not be a white supremacist, but that he merely believes that the races shouldn't mix and that America should be a white ethno-state.

He knows that racism is not socially acceptable, so he makes bad faith claims of not being racist while expressing obviously racist views. And the problem is, it works. It doesn't take much searching to find racists that don't think they're racist. The fact that people don't think Donald Trump is racist, despite a long list of racist remarks and actions [0], is proof of that.

And of course, later, Milo Yiannopoulos later released an audio recording of an explicitly racist rant. [1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

[1] https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/4/20947833/richard-sp...