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Re:Democracy Is Weakening Right in Front of Us by oh_sigh on Thursday March 11, 2021 @12:54PM (#26426885)
I feel like americans are brainwashed to revere democracy from a young age, so we go through life speaking these platitudes about believing in democracy even if really we just want political power however it may come.

Trump was not our guy but popular therefore he was a populist and a demagogue and problematic.

Obama was our guy and popular therefore he represented the aspirations of the common people.

Re:Democracy Is Weakening Right in Front of Us by jcranmer on Thursday March 11, 2021 @01:05PM (#26427020)
Trump isn't problematic because he's a populist, he's problematic because he does things like call the Secretary of State and beg him to alter the certified count to give him an extra 11,780 votes.
Re:Democracy Is Weakening Right in Front of Us by oh_sigh on Thursday March 11, 2021 @06:08PM (#26430191)
Trump was viewed as problematic before November 2020
Re:Democracy Is Weakening Right in Front of Us by kmos17 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @06:33PM (#26430416)
Yes, specifically when he refused to commit to accept the results of the election if he didn’t win. As the events leading to and including Jan 6 showed, this was not just bluster, he used all means including illegal ones to try to hold on to power after losing the election. That is what made him the most problematic, someone who doesn’t want to play by the rules of democracy.
Re:Democracy Is Weakening Right in Front of Us by jfengel on Friday March 12, 2021 @01:45PM (#26439286)
That was an example so straightforward that it's hard to imagine any honest person looking at it and saying "Yeah, that's all right".

The people who opposed him before could cite numerous other examples, and to be honest I can't really imagine how many people changed their minds over that one if they'd accepted everything else. If they do exist, it's hard to imagine that it came as a complete surprise. I would imagine that in retrospect they'd have to say, "Yeah, maybe the people whose guy he wasn't weren't completely off base".

That is, it's not just the usual "not our guy" thing. This was different in kind, not just in amount. Maybe some people opposed him just because he wasn't their guy, but there were things that should have broken the mold of "he's our guy therefore he's ok".

Re:Democracy Is Weakening Right in Front of Us by loopz on Thursday March 11, 2021 @01:00PM (#26426948)
You gotta first decide wether to burn the house down, or plant the seeds for tomorrow. The answer is in the middle somewhere.