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Re:Fuckin' user interface design, I swear by webmaven on Tuesday March 09, 2021 @11:30PM (#26407780)
> [...] but ultimately lacks the empathy you describe. You can only really build that by engaging directly with users, and watching them suffer at the hands of your creations.

While that's the only way to build empathy, you should be aware (and beware) that it is also a good way to build contempt (as counterproductive as that often is). Many of the "dark patterns" probably originated that way.

Re:Fuckin' user interface design, I swear by thom on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @06:36AM (#26410204)
Could you explain more? Most dark patterns seem to me to be metrics-driven tricks to maximise people accepting GDPR or spam opt-ins, or making additional unintended purchases etc. I don't believe they come from any sort of process of watching users on a task and talking to them. If you're saying that understanding your users allows you to better be hostile towards them, then yes, I agree, but that's bad user interface design by definition.
Re:Fuckin' user interface design, I swear by webmaven on Thursday March 18, 2021 @02:04PM (#26505567)
I mean I hat I've observed developers and designers who, when forced to watch users struggle, have the reaction "damn, they're stupid" and further that dark patterns are sometimes motivated by "I bet a lot of people are stupid enough to..."