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Re:Companies spend on technology, not workers by yummyfajitas on Friday June 10, 2011 @08:31AM (#2640594)
...the fact remains that 7 million people who were previously productive contributing members of society suddenly aren't...

I don't see how this is a fact. It's one interpretation of the facts we see (productivity is up, employment is not).

Another interpretation of the facts is that 7 million people were on payroll but were not productive, and employer/producers have now corrected this mistake.

Re:Companies spend on technology, not workers by Retric on Friday June 10, 2011 @08:43AM (#2640625)
The idea that only the 7 million unproductive people where cut is absurd. Over the last few years several companies have failed and even their most productive workers where temporarily out of a job. It's a real issue that being productive and finding a job are not all that related skills.
Re:Companies spend on technology, not workers by mgkimsal on Friday June 10, 2011 @09:16AM (#2640718)
Great interpretation.

Of the 7 million, how many were 'productive' for companies that simply couldn't weather the storm?

Companies that are still around are reporting greater productivity, but it's a bit of a survivorship bias in these numbers, and to interpret them as "all those people were just dead weight" is too extreme.

Sure, some of them probably were, but entire industries simply shift away. We basically don't have travel agents any more. Decades ago it was a career. Today it's a minor niche. Does that mean that in 1980, travel agents were unproductive dead weight? Certainly not.

Technology advances and a big financial shakedown have given us the one-two punch, and I'm not sure we'll ever quite get back to where we were just a few years ago.

I was listening to Rush Limbaugh the other day bitch about the May US 'job creation' figures - only 50k or so. He was bitching that he knows how to "get this country right again". It boiled down to "lower taxes on corporations, and reduce regulations".

1. I know plenty of small businesses, and I don't know anyone who's thinking "dang, if only taxes were lower, I'd go right out and hire a bunch of people". Generally, they're just nervous about the short term economy, and would prefer some cash on hand if taxes were reduced.

2. Sure, I'm for lower regulations. It seems like it might help the guy in the article if there were fewer safety regulations that didn't require $7k in training per employee. Fair enough. But I don't see this as something that's preventing people from hiring as much as not being able to find qualified workers, or being willing to invest in the training for those workers. Many are trapped by underwater mortgages, so more employers are forced to deal with the workforce immediately surrounding them.

More on Rush for a moment. Yes, capitalism is great, etc. But with the changes in tech we've been seeing the past couple decades, 'successful' companies require fewer people.

I'm going out on a limb here and will say that a company's market cap is an indicator of the value they provide the market. Ford's market cap is $54B, and they employ 164,000. Apple's market cap is $300B, and they employ 49,000. Google is $166B and they employ 26,000. Value created and delivered is far greater, and as more companies "tech up", lowered taxes and regulations will just not be a path to higher employment.

Yes, the economy may get "back on track", but fewer people will be riding those rails.

Re:Companies spend on technology, not workers by hackernewz on Friday June 10, 2011 @11:31AM (#2641197)
He said it was $7k/yr FLAT FEE. That means it doesn't change no matter how many people he hires. In fact, the regulations are set up so that he should hire as many people as possible to get the most use out of his $7k.
Re:Companies spend on technology, not workers by hackernewz on Friday June 10, 2011 @11:34AM (#2641209)
market cap / payroll population

Ford = 350k Apple = 6.122M Google = 6.385M

Re:Companies spend on technology, not workers by yummyfajitas on Friday June 10, 2011 @09:03AM (#2640675)
Many of the companies that failed were unproductive. For example, any company building or selling houses we don't need is unproductive.

It is ridiculous that 7 million unproductive people were cut. In actuality, it was more like 70 million people, productive and not, who were cut. This is only marginally more people than in normal times.

(Data gathered by eyeballing the graph here: http://modeledbehavior.com/2011/06/05/strolling-through-the-... )

The idea is that among those 70 million people (probably a bit less, if some people were fired twice), most of the productive ones found jobs. The remainder were not rehired.